Hi all
PALE, thanks for this, I wasn't aware of this thread. I thought Pelican's arguments were well reasoned and expressed. Certainly these people have the right to express their opinions, but they should not be paid taxpayers' funds to do so, if that is the case and it seems clear that they probably are. Furthermore, if you express your opinions in the public arena, you must expect that others with conflicting views will express them too. One point worth mentioning is that Australia has no provision in the form of a Bill of Rights for freedom of speech.

PALE is correct also in believing that there should be some form of "level playing field". If one industry sector receives largesse from the government then so should others (particularly struggling ones like the meat preocessing sector. The Howard government set the trend for that when Howard bailed out his brother-in law's textile company in the Hunter Valley.

There are in fact State animal protection laws, but farmers (and live exporters) are protected from them by "Codes of Practice" which govern (and I use the term loosely) the unfortunate animals who are determined to be for "food". Compliance with these appalling documents can form the basis of of a defence against acts of cruelty (which would most certainly attract prosecution if they were practiced upon "companion" animals. In most states the RSPCA enforces animal protection laws (although Queensland, I think, does not deal with farmed animals, so far as I know; correct me if I'm wrong).

We have just seen a live exporter escape justice in WA through an inconsistency between Commonwealth and State law (s109 of the Constitution) and disgraceful interference in judicial process by a WA government that proves it.

Cheers
Nicky

Hehe, you girls crack me up, you really do. You are so badly informed
that you could not organise a pissup in a brewery :) Do none of
you ever read the MLA annual report?

Promotion of red meat has around 57 million dollars allocated to
it.

Promotion of live exports has 600'000$ allocated to it.

So would you prefer if an even amount was spent on both?

Think carefully now Gertrude, before you answer this one :)

Yabby, I'm afraid that I don't consider MLA's annual report as part of my essential reading; I very rarely have time to read fiction.

And naming a kid after a breed of cattle indicates seriously dysfunctional parents, which could explain where these yuppies are coming from. You can br greasy and grubby and still be a yuppie; not all yuppies are clean. sadly. Perhaps this woman thinks that the smell of mature is fetching, who knows? She doesn't have a whole lot between the ears, reading her "stories".

For essential reading, Yabby, a change in propaganda might be in order for you, since you are only capab;le of quoting one side of it without reading anything between the lines.

Cheers
Nicky

Can verifiably truthful information be classed as propaganda, because the way I see it MLA and the like must deliver accuracy able to withstand the nit-picking scrutiny of numerous nay-sayers (whose own material is questionable to say the least).

I would truly giggle if someone suggested that Animals Aust and similar could withstand equal scrutiny. In truth I'm not sure anyone really expects them to.

Nicky, you make my point for me. You don't have the foggiest about
what MLA are up to or how they spend their money, you know nothing
about livestock, yet you want to sit back and pass judgement on
things about which you don't understand or it seems, have much
information about. If its not on the AA website, its not part
of your bible reading, it seems.

You are in the wrong career sweetheart. You should have been a
policewoman, you could spend all day writing speeding tickets
and don't need much intelligence to do it either.

Gertrude is so badly informed that she did not even know what
% of cattle are exported live from Qld. She was out by a factor
of something like 6 times, IIRC. Then you girls think that the
public should take the information that you quote as gospel, with
any kind of seriousness? You must be kidding!

Frankly this lady who is doing her part in running 10'000
cattle, sounds like she makes you lot look like schoolgirls :)

Yabbs.

MLA LIVECORPE DEFY RSPCA contiuned

Livecourpe and MLA ‘are’ public funded.

http://www.mla.com.

How we are funded=

MLA -The Federal Government also contributes a dollar for each dollar we spend in R&D.

collected by federal government.


Cattle and calves:
Cattle $5.00 per head
Grain-fed cattle $5.00 per head
Goats
Goats 37.7c per head

Visit the Government Central office (Canberra): 1800 020 619


As a Red Meat and Abattoir operator I am afraid we will have to ask for Yvette to stand down and also bring on MLA LIVECORP Department of Trade Enquiry. Too much conflict of interest.

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http://www.livecorp.com.au/downloads/Magistrate's%20ruling.pdf

Australian livestock export industry applauds Magistrate’s ruling
Friday 8 February 2008
The Australian livestock export industry has applauded the decision handed down by Magistrate Crawford today clearing Emanuel Exports and its Directors of all charges.
http://www.livecorp.com.au/downloads/Magistrate's%20ruling.pdf

The verdict also highlights the need for legislation to provide national standards and regulation for the handling and welfare of animals for export, and ensure legislation cannot be used to bring about a case such as this in the future. ?

The national implications of the Emanuel case are so significant that the Australian Farmers’ Fighting Fund (AFFF) provided the financial resources for the Emanuel defence.

"IN OTHER WORDS WE HELPED PAY FOR IT!"

Yvette Farrell, MLA/LiveCorp Livestock Export Program Ph: 0416 189 775

www.mla.com.au (follow ‘hot topics’ from MLA homepage)
www.livecorp.com.au



Yvette Farrell, communication manager, MLA/LiveCorp Livestock Export Program
(02) 9463 9388 0416 189 775
Anna Inglis, Wilkinson Media, 02 8001 8888 or 0414 256 919

Australian livestock export industry applauds Magistrate’s ruling
Friday 8 February 2008
.

Yvette Farrell, MLA/LiveCorp Livestock Export Program Ph: 0416 189 775=
Your voice and political
influence is louder and
more listened to than
ours. Help us to help each
other by ensuring that at
every opportunity the live
export trade is promoted
as an essential part of
your business.
Together we will be able
to convince the
government and public of
the achievements of the
last six years and our
desire to continue to.

She Cant be too good with figures either Yabbs - STILL waiting!