“I hope I can get some latitude to reply to Dickie without childlike threats of legal action.” (Belly)

Dear Belly

Readers might be forgiven for thinking that the innuendo in your statement above suggests that it is I who has threatened you with “childlike threats of legal action.”

This sly innuendo, as you are well aware, is totally fraudulent and dishonorable and lacks any semblance of integrity.

“Almost every post from yabby speaks for me. “

Thank you Belly. Now I know you are not a man of integrity.

“My views are based on reading the forum seeing what is posted and my life time refusal to except radical views as true.”

“Radical” Belly? Why not review the one-eyed, socialistic bombardments you have gifted us with on OLO – which induces me to ask: “Why do you speak of the speck in my eye when you fail to see the plank in your own?”

Have you not engaged this thread because of your radical political agenda and a maniacal obsession to support the disgraceful improprieties of a Labor Party which is a sycophant to the live export industry?

And should the Liberal Party win office, would you not be the first in line to moralise over live exports?

Pelican’s excellent response to a totally unprovoked attack by PALE, offers some good advice. I trust Pelican will not object to me reiterating that advice for your benefit Belly:

“My commitment to animal welfare is not in question - and if you wish to detract from the thrust of my argument by using this low handed tactic, then this debate cannot hope to continue in any meaningful or rational way.”

Dickie said

Pelican’s excellent response to a totally unprovoked attack by PALE,...

Pale replies.

Hey hang on Dickie you have no way of knowing the past posts. Some peoples agenda’s which was the result of our comments to Pelican.

In case you have missed the point which is= “Why should MLA only appoint Ambassadors for one side of the meat industry and not the other.”

If you girls want to get anywhere with this you must stop and listen once in a while.

There is the lead and the path you must all follow to highlight the unfairness of it to other people involved in the meat industry.

Of course your friend pelican can say as she wishes. However all her information is incorrect and quite frankly given her position claiming animals come first I found her comments heading in the complete opposite direction.

The problem with you girls is that you can’t see the tree for the forest.

You want live exports to stop? Good then support your red meat industry and abattoirs here in Australia and support those families to be treated in an equal manner.

Here we go again. The entire Anti pale = those dreadful Animal killers fighting to reopen abattoirs in Australia.

Well here is news Dickie and pelican and all veggie members.
You either support your red meat industry or cop more live exports.

A good place to start and a fair place to start I would have thought was to ask MLA WHY ONLY LIVE EXPORTS AMBASSITORS and Not Six for Live and Six for Frozen.

I will leave you both to ponder what other alternatives there are.

Telling people not to eat meat – wont cut it pelican- and in fact makes it WORSE for the Animals Allowing the Industry and the Government to brand everybody Extremists.

pale supports the industryOf the red meat and abattoir association and AMIEU.

If you girls want to make a difference to the Animals- Get behind the abattoir red meat industry and demand equal Ambassitors.

I would have thought at least "that much " was obvious.

Pelican

Blimey! is correct. You know very well we work with RSPCA QLD and you are IMOP a Animal Libber.

Now there`s nothing wrong with that - bar the fact you came into this thread without 'one comment' as to the unfairness of MLA only appointing six youth to promote the cruel live animal trade but not one to promote the red meat abattoir trade.?

( That in MOP is because you oppose killing animals for food at all) Which is your right.

Moving on MLA clearly shows bias and it plays right into the hands of Animal Welfare organisation everywhere.

As for RSPCA yes they also have the handle with care project which I am sure you are well aware of. I sugest you read the following links if only to understand whos doing what.

http://www.rspcavic.org/campaigns_news/campaigns_handle_with_care.htm

This in particular has a clear link to what is happening( again ) within the industry. Read it to see to connections between the industry and those who buy donations and votes for their parties leaving moral obligations aside and endorsing barbaric cruelty.=

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/rrat_ctte/meat_marketing/tor.htm

However above all pelican ask yourself why you cant see the unfair promotion over live to chilled?

Regardless of what industry is involved it is beyond the pale that as a response to the Handle with care project they 'just' promote LIVE.

There are plenty of familes in the abattoir business within this country and red meat industry that need support.

Again I say we are wearing our HKM cap and again we say this is totally unfair to support one side of the industry but not the other.

I am not on this thread to debate the live export issue- rather than highlight the utter unfairness to those in the red meat industry.

I wasn't going to bother posting on this topic again given the intentional misreading of my argument by PALE but I can't ignore outright lies.

PALE said: "Hey hang on Dickie you have no way of knowing the past posts. Some peoples agenda’s which was the result of our comments to Pelican."

PALE where have I ever said that I don't eat meat or am a vegetarian? Feel free to search my posts and paste the links here. As far as other OLO discussions go, I have only ever said I buy pasture fed meat (organic where possible), am against intensive feedlots and live animal exports. We have a duty of care to animals to farm them as humanely as possible so that their lives are not ones of suffering.

In other threads (that I can remember) where you and I posted on animal welfare issues we were in pretty much agreement so I don't know where you are coming from. Is there more than one person posting as PALEIF? If so, this might explain the confusion.

[Yabby must be loving this :)]

dickie
Feel free to use the phrase at will. :)

Sigh!!

I posted the above post before reading PALE's new post - I just had a look at the PALE website and it appears you are only affilitaed with RSPCA QLD.

PALE said: "However above all pelican ask yourself why you cant see the unfair promotion over live to chilled?"

Of course I don't like MLA advertising live over chilled, but they have a right to advertise what they like. I have faith that the public will see right through it. Give them some credit.

PALE you contradict yourself - you accuse me of being an animal libber but then have a go at me for defending MLA's right to freedom of speech. I have no problems with you, animal libbers or MLA promoting their causes or any other causes.

There are many things I don't like or agree with but I will fight for the right of others to disagree with me. We are not a dictatorship (yet).

Firstly Pelican

apoligise. Mistook you for the person. Always calling us Animal Killers. Maintain our interests in the red meat industry were to make money out of 'killing'
animals.
again- sorry.

Yabby might be laughing but we are laughing more:) In all his posts for yonks hes managed to impress one person Belly . Its hilarious.
Good on you Yabbs, Well done !

So Yabby you agree then do you? Six Ambassitors for the live shipping agents and NONE for the Australian Red Meat and Abbitor associations?
No wonder the Abattoir associations have been screaming for an enquiry into the MLA.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:qVHR9QIqFuoJ:www.mla.com.au/NR/rdonlyres/13D83066-AD5C-4348-A4BE-C10AAFF439C6/0/CorporateGovernancestatement200506.doc+duties+of+mla&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au

MLA are NOT to Favour One or the Other. "Live or Red Chilled meat" Our public funds go into it.

MLA code of business conduct and ethics:=

MLA code of business conduct and ethics Message. he,he=

MLA carries on business honestly and fairly.

MLA is committed to providing a free from harassment, prejudice and favouritism, where personal development is encouraged, equal opportunity is fostered?

Our members and industry stakeholders: MLA is committed to providing value to the "red meat" industry by carrying on business in a sound and effective way and clearly, openly, accurately and honestly reporting on the company's operations to our members.

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Our customers: MLA is committed to conducting business honestly, with integrity and providing our customers –

Our communities: MLA is committed to earning and maintaining the support of the communities which provide "our license to operate", "including Peak Councils,Government" and the community at large. Code of Business Conduct and Ethics :)

The standards set out in this Code cannot anticipate every situation which may pose a legal, ethical or moral question.

Managers and employees are expected to exercise sound judgement when evaluating an issue of business conduct.?

The standards go beyond compliance with laws and regulations and embrace MLA’s values and commitments to its stakeholders.?

1) Openness, Integrity and Fairness MLA’s

Umm , now all cast you eyes to this pls
http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/hansard/hans35.nsf/NFS/947c9d2bdc1db86748257081002561f6

Ring any bells? (not You Belly }as you said just follow old Yabbs.
spoken like a real union man= hilarious:)