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A joint initiative of MLA and LiveCorp, to 'defy 'RSPCA using our youth. Shame

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Breaking News:

28 April 2008

Worldwide Retail Giant Takes a Stand Against Lamb Mutilations

"Miami -- After discussions with PETA about the mutilation of lambs by Australian farmers, Miami-based global retail giant Perry Ellis International has decided to boycott all wool from farmers who use either the standard mulesing mutilation or the new--and also painful--"clip mulesing" procedure.

"Mulesing is a crude procedure in which farmers cut huge chunks of skin and flesh from lambs' backsides with shears or use tightly clamped clips to end blood circulation and kill the skin in a crude attempt to reduce maggot infestation.

"Farmers use this cruel procedure even though effective and humane prevention methods--such as breeding bare-breech sheep--already exist.

"The industry is now promoting another cruel mulesing method in which clips are attached to the folded skin and flesh of lambs, which causes the skin and flesh to rot and fall off.

"But Perry Ellis International--which distributes its products to more than 15,000 stores worldwide and has annual sales approaching $1 billion--isn't buying the new mulesing technique.
Posted by dickie, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 1:17:36 AM
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The IQ assessment is dropping Dickie dear, yours seems to be heading
below 70 now :)

*The survivors (many still diseased) are pumped full of drugs and vaccines - live and otherwise. Then we eat them.*

I love the logic. We vaccinate people all the time for all sorts
of things, but if we vaccinate animals, that must be poison!

Hehe, you girls will invent any old excuse to try and promote
your cause, even fiction, as we have noted.

What fascinates me is where the real psychological problem lies.
Why is it that the animal liberation lobby is made up of mainly
females? What we certainly have on OLO, is a bunch of pedantic,
doting females, who seem to want to rather cuddle all animals,
rather then accept that we eat them. So why?

I have my own theories and it gets back to endocrinology. Instinct
is clearly influenced by genetics and oxytocin is not known as
the cuddle hormone for no good reason. Could it just be that you
girls have very high levels of oxytocin, which is influencing
your instincts? Sheesh, what an interesting scientific experiment
this would make!

Dickie, I agree, clips are not the answer, as I have said all
along. Mandating trisolfen would make far more sense, if it is
made easily available.

But I have predicted for years, that the wool industry is doomed
to become a niche industry eventually, certainly in Australia.
The Chinese own most of the processing gear now, so they can dictate
the price. They never pay more then they absolutaly need to for
raw materials. At the same time in Australia, young ones don't
want to do hard work like shearing anymore, so there are more
profitable things that we can do with the land.

We can always breed more wool free meat sheep, plus grow a few
more crops. Forget the American market, they are becoming poorer,
whilst the Arabs are getting richer. Arabs might well pay a premium
for high quality meat sheep, so as wool declines, we could buy some
more modern sheep ships!
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Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 2:07:54 PM
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My dear Yabby. Should we bother with political correctness here? Currently, Foxy has raised her concern over posters who do not adhere to PC where they appear to have a preference for slinging insults at each other.

But you and I love a good dust-up don't we? And we both would realise that PC, like diplomacy, has no friends, only interests. PC specifically was invented to protect the sainted "victims" with a minimum amount of offence.

Neither you or I are "victims."

Nevertheless we remain miles apart and I am truly thankful that I do not possess the reptilian chill you display when assessing how many dollars you can save by the DIY surgical horrors you perform on your livestock.

There are times Yabby when your exhortations are so obtuse:

"I love the logic. We vaccinate people all the time for all sorts
of things, but if we vaccinate animals, that must be poison!"

Yabby, humans these days don't eat humans.

Cannibalism, you see, is no longer fashionable for humans though livestock owners, similar to yourself Yabby, are responsible for turning other species into cannibals, resulting in Mad Cow Disease, vCJD and other plagues you can't screen for because you don't yet know about them.

Get it Yab? The food chain? We humans are at the top of the chain. We eat your contaminated animals where these poor toxic critters are unfit for human consumption but do you care?

"Not at all," says our Yab. "Profits my dear Dickie, profits. Who cares about the consequences? Silly emotional half-wits, pumped up on oxytocin!"

But Yabby, you too are overdosed on "oxytocin." This is so obvious because you wont take your hand off it - you even type with one hand.

Every day now, the media are reporting on the institutionalised animal cruelty you so vigorously defend.

You see Yabby we defend only goodness - you defend evil.

Take heed Yabby and head for the hills for goodness will prevail over evil and the malice, perpetrated on defenceless animals by greedy, unevolved men and devils is soon to be outlawed.
Posted by dickie, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 7:17:59 PM
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Hi all
Poor Yabby, you are SUCH a neanderthal. Let us all know when you are fully evolved from all fours, won't you? Dickie has well and truly annihilated you this time.

Furthermore, you would never survive a science or psychology degree. The human psyche is not solely, or even primarily, determined by endocrinolgy at all, essentially we are products of many things, incluhding our environments and genetics (I wonder if you were beaten as a child? That might explain a lot).

Give us a break from the half-baked, minimally informed scientific theory, and try to present a coherent, moral perspective of why it is you do what you do.

Personally, I can't wait for the day that a plague strikes in all these countries, and it gets attributed to Australian animals. It's already starting to happen. Clean green Australia? You people are such a sad joke peddling such rubbish.

I'd quit while I was behind now, if I were you.

Cheers
Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 8:29:28 PM
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Dickie dear, no I don’t worry about that PC crap. I’d rather say what I think, let
others join hands and sing Kumbaya to deal with life.

Yup I am aware that cannibalism is out of fashion. But so explain to me why it is
fine to stick a vaccine into your own flesh directly, but causes animals to become
sick, if you do the same thing to them.

How many people can you show, that have died from eating Australian vaccinated
livestock, despite the fact that most of our 20 million people eat them every
single day, let alone overseas customers? Any evidence that you can provide?

*for humans though livestock owners, similar to
yourself Yabby, are responsible for turning other species into cannibals,*

Well they are humans like yourself Dickie, generally in Europe, which you
look up to for respect and acceptance. I remind you that I do natural farming,
not factory farming, which are quite different. My animals graze pasture, grain
in droughts etc, so that they don’t starve as in nature.

*But Yabby, you too are overdosed on "oxytocin." This is so obvious because you wont take your hand
off it - you even type with one hand.*

Ah Dickie, you know as much about endocrinology as Nicky, which is clearly bugger
all lol. I remind you that your clitoris is just basically a small penis, with similar nerve endings. Take your hand off it Dickie!

*You see Yabby we defend only goodness*

No Dickie, you defend instinctive mothering, you totally lack common sense and
knowledge, when it comes to livestock. A bit like overdoting mommies, who drive
any normal kid nuts.

Nicky, your ad hominems prove nothing. All that we can establish is that you would
soon fail at farming, so university is the easy option for you. I actually have a lot
of friends in academia, we have some interesting discussions :) They commonly know a great deal about one tiny subject, but are some of the most impractical people that I have met, when it comes to common sense and dealing with-the-larger
world.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 10:21:44 PM
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contiuned

"The public health implications of anthrax are that it can be a serious disease in humans and potentially fatal if exposure to the organism is not treated"


Cattle anthrax case in Qld

The first case of anthrax in cattle for three and a half years has been recorded, with 10 animals dying from the disease in southern Queensland. It has been reiterated that anthrax spores can lie dormant in the soil for up to 50 years and that there are no suspicious circumstances surrounding the case.

South-east Queensland
Australia was officially declared free of TB in December 1997.
However, on 11/12/00, TB was found in a National Granuloma Submission Program (NGSP) sample from a Santa Gertrudis heifer slaughtered at Coominya Abattoir in Queensland. Culture confirmed the diagnosis in early February.

The heifer was purchased from a property at Wandoan (Qld), but originated from a property at Bollon (Qld). This property was sold in September 2000 and a whole-herd dispersal occurred prior to sale, mainly in July and August 2000. Most were sold at saleyards at Roma and Goondiwindi, with 1,349 cattle being sold to 56 destinations.

Tuberculosis has been detected in seven additional trace-forward properties, four of which are in New South Wales.

The finding of a total of 12 positive animals on these properties has triggered further destocking, tracing and testing activity.

At least one generalised case has been found suggesting this animal may have been a potent source of spread of the disease.

Culture positive results have been obtained from a number of these animals. In total, over 1,000 cattle have been destocked from trace-forward properties.

The source of infection for this TB outbreak is still being investigated. It may have been present in cattle on the property or introduced in purchased stock from Queensland or the Northern Territory.


This will require a rigorous program to ensure that any residual infection is eradicated
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 10:40:17 PM
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