Good evening, Yabby - I've missed you. Although that particular program was based on fiction, it was very much represented as a matter of course, as a way of disposing of diseased sheep. And if they did, and do, I reckon it's rough justice (for the recipients who may get Crohn's Disease) and it's only a matter of time before your trade shoots itself in the foot.

Was it this thread or the other one where you asked if I approve of hitting lambs on the head? Of course I don't. What a silly question.

But if an animal is really suffering and beyond the assistance of a veterinarian (although you guys aren't big on calling in a veterinarian for the odd sick lamb, I guess) than as long as it is not suffering and does not regain consciousness, then I think there's not a whole lot of dofference between that and a gun. But that only applies to lambs, of course, and only in exigent circumstances where there is no alternative. For larger animals it would have to be a gun.

The lambs you knock over the head are better off than the ones you put on ships, of course.

Cheers
Nicky

In case anyone actually takes dickie seriously:

2007 Lack of link between Crohns and johnes-
http://www.acca.net.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=59

"This month, a Canadian woman was diagnosed with BSE."

What, no link even? I would have thought that statement irregular since Bovine relates to COWS. CJD is the human equivalent.

"Australia exported cattle which had the potential to wipe out New Caledonia's entire herd with tick fever."
sure, if no one did anything about it. It hasn't wiped out Aussie cattle, has it? AQIS made a mistake vaccinating instead of drenching. There are 1100 cattle involved.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23402321-16953,00.html

I guess the intelligence of sheep is relative. Some look down on them and some look up to them. I suppose you'll feel better about live exports if we look for dumb genes instead of smart genes.

Nicky, keyword here - fiction. I've often wondered about your sources of info ;)

Morning All
Dickie
Your line of posting is stop on. ‘Of course’ we are exporting diseases to these people. It doesn’t under go the same level of health and safety.
When the last bloke died who was working in a plant down South all sorts of internal warnings were faxed “ Very quietly to the local doctors in the surrounding areas

. Yes, the told everybody- Er, bar the public of course.

Now guess what they did with the rest of the meat? You guessed it loaded it onto a ship and sent it off the the Middle East.


I can recall years ago sending out memos to Al Jazeera to warn them they should watch out for the health of their poor unsuspecting people who just go into a supermarket the same as we do.

I will post the document up here in the next post.( I think its at the other office.
Yabby you have still not explained why you cant carry a gun and other farmers to put animals down? Are you frightened of guns Yabbs;)
Keep an eye out for =
Australia Doesn’t Want You To Know About
( I will post it soon)
Yabby Rojo especially down there your soils all wrong for high breeding. Your stock get sick with pneumonia from the dust and scorns of anthrax and this leads to other diseases.

TB has many a name and its common cause is infected meats.
The management dust drought and other issues are a big problem for the people eating these meat products at the other end.
Dust and mis management is also one reason for the high loss of lambs. That and over breeding.
There is bugger all management zero care and only a few left with old basic knowledge which the others don’t listen to anyway .

*you asked if I approve of hitting lambs on the head? Of course I don't. What a silly question.*

Ah but farmer Nicky, you haven't yet said what you would do with
your orphan lambs. Take em all home, leave them for the foxes and
eagles to ripp to bits, or detroy em. Getrude might lend you her
portable gas chamber :)

*although you guys aren't big on calling in a veterinarian for the odd sick lamb,*

Last time I had the vet here for an autopsy, it was around 250$
for a sheep worth 20 bucks. So farmer Nicky, would you call the
vet and spend 200$ or so, every time one of your 20$ sheep got
sick?

Gertrude, handguns are illegal and carrying a rifle whilst swapping
vehicles 5 times a day, is not a practical option. We are farmers,
not hunters

Thanks so much for the additional link regarding Crohn’s disease and the related Johne's disease, Rojo. I see the ACCC employed the Commonwealth’s chief medical officer to assist with the research.

This imprudent move to commission a chief medical officer creates a conflict of interest. It is common knowledge that senior public servants and academics are constantly gagged and deprived of their right to free speech by our corrupt state and federal governments Some have been threatened with demotions - even dismissal:

http://africa.reuters.com/world/news/usnSYD230970.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/free-speech-being-whittled-away/2007/11/05/1194117939539.html?page=2
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2176903.htm
http://www.huliq.com/44227/government-found-interfere-public-health-research

Refreshingly, South Australia’s Primary Industry and Resources department was extremely forthright in publicising its opinion on Western Australia's disgraceful handling of animals suffering Ovine Johne's Disease:

In WA:

"• Infected farms have no restrictions.
• Infected farms do not have to inform neighbours.
• Infected farms can sell at saleyards without placarding.
• Neighbours to infected farms do not have to test.
• Animal Health Statements are voluntary and rarely used.
• All testing of ‘at risk’ farms has stopped."

And more at:

http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/24081/ojd_bulletin_nov_04.pdf

"But there's nothing unusual about sending BJD cattle to countries like the United Arab Emirates, according to Dennis Hayes from the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service." (ABC Rural)

In case anyone continues to take YOUR defence of this cruel and incompetent industry seriously Rojo, I would encourage them to read your own links you have kindly provided which state:

“CONTROLS have been placed on the movement of cattle in New Caledonia after an embarrassing bungle by Australian quarantine officials exposed its cattle herd to tick fever.

“The bungle followed widespread criticism of Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service last year after equine influenza entered Australia and paralysed the multi-million-dollar racing industry for months.

To add to the Laurel and Hardy comedies Rojo, you state: "I guess the intelligence of sheep is relative. Some look down on them and some look up to them. I suppose you'll feel better about live exports if we look for dumb genes instead of smart genes."

Please, may I suggest you present your venal and vacuous argument to those with an IQ below 70?

Yabby
Hand guns are not illegal you just need a license.
Having a gun to put animals down should not be compulsory.
You can keep them easily and safely in a lockable pouch. Just don’t loose the key case you bump a eastern brown:)

Oh, but hang on that’s right ‘they are protected’ ``STREWTH```. Just goes to show how much our laws need to be amended.

We kiss crocs protect snakes at let old breeders and little poddy`s and lambs die slowly in paddocks. Then we consider it a small blessing if farmers bash their brains in ‘because they are not forced ‘to carry a suitable weapon.

You breed them and you care for them. Otherwise go to goal. Yes that will be the new laws in Australia one day and the sooner and the better. I agree it’s better than intensive farming. As well I agree with Nicky anything is better than live exports.

Anyway Yabbs, you give your own injections don’t you? You can’t run a farm with out that. Who gives your penicillin, Bute, tetanus, anti inflammatory etc?
You probably don’t buy Bute ah, after all what’s a little pain. Surely again it should be compulsory to do an IV course if you’re a farmer. Then you could carry a little green satchel on that pouch with your syringes. Just make sure you don’t feel a little prick in the figure whilst administering :)
While you’re doing that Yabbs the very skilled NCCAW will be drawing up the new codes of practice.
They will be taking into account the acreage, soils tests blood tests and making sure grazing doesn’t get past a certain level. Taking on board the amount of stock history of the property area. Then you will all be saved the heart ache of having too many lambs to knock on the head.