Hi all
PALE; you really are a hard case.

Pale -Yup hope so Nicky.

Nicky

Just because I, and some animal welfare organizations disagree with you does not mean we have to "re-think our positions".

Pale
Disagree, Oh now I see. What is it that they disagree about?

Nicky said
I, and they, simply disagree with you and that is that.

Pale
There’s that word disagrees again.

So we will wait to see what it is you and they disagree about
Thanks

Just the fundamental point will do – tar.

(I take it then that they always must have others agree with them then. Would that be fair to say?

I mean, if you disagree, or have a difference of opinion then I guess you’re not likely to be viewed in an agreeable manner then are you.

Nicky said

Nor does any of have to be "invited" to call for a Royal Commission if they or I were to choose to join such a call.

Pale replies

No of course not Nicky. It would be awful to put forward suggestions that might help the Animals – wouldn’t it. What a dreadful thing to do to ‘suggest’ that people look towards others in the industry to point out MLA are favoring live exports.
I mean just because they are complaining bitterly about mla – silly me to think they might want something of more substance to support their complaints.

Nicky said

Just because you happen to believe that this person from ABA "knows what he is talking about" does not mean that other animal welfare groups or I agree with that either
Pale replies
No, most certainly not!

Nicky said
Nor have they, or I, expressed anti-Muslim or anti-farmer positions, merely (in my case, I do not speak for others) that I dislike certain activities that some Muslims and some farmers are involved in.

pale replies

I see the old email system still works- wise call.

Really, PALE, you need to get off whatever it is you are on. Your sad attempts at sarcasm waste so much space and do you no credit. I have absolutely no idea why other groups disagree with you. I have speculated about that, but I am not in their confidence. Nor am I going to repeat myself about why I disagree with you.

Just how much chance do you think you have at getting a Royal Commission into MLA, and what, in reality, would it achieve for animsls? It's just yet another PALE attempt at self-aggrandizement. Politicians will take absolutely no notice and you should know that. PALE has no influence with any of them and you know that too.

I have no idea what you are talking about with the "email address" stuff, but don't bother to enlighten me. I deal with enough rubbish in the course of my days.

Nicky

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1449086.htm

Sheep smarter than people think: researcher
By Judy Skatssoon for ABC science online

Sheep are not as dumb as many people think, says a researcher who has put a group of Australian merinos to the test and found they can learn and remember.

PhD student Caroline Lee, who works with CSIRO Livestock Industries found sheep cannot only work out how to get through a complicated maze but they get better every time they do it.

"We basically showed that sheep are smarter than people think," she said.

"There's this common myth that sheep are dumb ... but they've actually got quite high level cognition and learning abilities, especially in relation to spatial memory."

Ms Lee tested 60 sheep by putting them at the start of maze about 18 metres by eight metres, from which they could see their companions at the other end through open-bar fences.

Researchers continue to warn of the serious global epidemics now occurring where livestock pathogens are on the increase and are infecting and killing humans.

Scientists it appears, have reached a consensus on Crohn's disease, an incurable and debilitating gastric disease in humans, which they believe is a result of exposure to infected livestock which carry Johnes disease.

It is disturbing to learn of an author publicly accusing Australia of deliberately exporting animals (afflicted with Johnes disease) to the Middle East:

"Why have the Australians performed this dastardly deed?" asks the author.

"Perhaps they figure that those Arabs just don't know any better, so why not? The desire for dollars betrays their act of bioterrorism. This is a crime against mankind."

http://naturalsolutionsradio.com/articles/article.html?id=5371&filter=

http://comdev.osu.edu/~news/story.php?id=1895

Researchers, Drs Karesh and Cook, said the costs of livestock diseases to the international community has been staggering. The rash of livestock pathogens that have spread around the world in the last decade have cost some $100 billion, excluding SARS.

British scientist John Collinge, predicts thousands of future human deaths from mad cow disease caused by contaminated beef eaten between 1980 and 1986. He has warned that bovine spongiform encephalopathy and variant Cruzfeldt-Jakob disease, the human version of the disease, appear to have a long incubation period that could stretch to decades in some people.


This month, a Canadian woman was diagnosed with BSE.

Last November, Australia exported cattle which had the potential to wipe out New Caledonia's entire herd with tick fever.

"They (Australia) have an approach of treating the animals whereas we, in New Caledonia, have a policy of complete eradication of the disease," New Caledonia's Agriculture Minister Eric Babin said last week ahead of the Australian mission.

"But the Imazol treatment was finally the preferred solution, mainly because it would be less traumatizing, New Caledonia's government announced on Thursday. The treatment would be applied to as many as 4,500 cattle."

Australian taxpayers have picked up this bill for yet another blunder by the industry of untouchables and probably an additional bill to compensate New Caledonian farmers.

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/tas/content/2006/s2195651.htm

Hi all
Dickie, that was just another example of the "best livestock export standards in the world", Once again AQIS was "asleep on the job" (although they aren't on the job all that much, and when they are they don't do it very well.

ABC TV produced a television series last year called "Rain Shadow" which depicted a fictional drought stricken area of South Australia, and that made it very clear that sheep with OJD are sent off on live exports as a matter of routine. They are very ill before they are even loaded for transport.

Cheers
Nicky

Ah Nicky, as expected, you will even believe fiction to try and run
down your favourite hate, the live export trade.

What evidence have you that people knowingly exported sheep with
OJD and how did they know those sheep were positive?