Banjo,
I thought you were more into pig farming If you look at AP then be assurred same applies- You have got your answer.

Also what are you talking about.

The mutton can and should be killed here- Thats really hard to follow isnt it.

Nobody is taking anything from the farmers in actual fact they are giving the small good industry back to them,.

That eventually effects to price at the sale yards.

I cant help you with information on special favours given to certain companies if you dont know already.

Give that you come to us preaching you know all about how it goes down then I can only assume your poorly informed and dont know as much as you make out or a trouble maker.

Either way I am not interested and have better things to do with me time!

When I wanted to post about the trade links and favours and subs and favours you were not interested.

Oh So Sorry to dissapoint the dribbling fool. IMOP.

PALE: Apology accepted. For the record, the reason I had not contributed further to this thread was not because I was upset. I did not respond because I’ve had a gutful of your meandering ramblings, your generalized sweeping statements you peddle as valid truths and your adolescent attacks on me and other OLO contributers.

By the way, what was the “awful racist comment I was supposed to have supported?” Please back your accusations up with fact.

I was hoping you could further clarify another statement you made. You stated “I can say with real authority Muslim Leaders have ZERO respect for us Aussies.” Oh dear PALE- may I suggest you remove yourself from the Muslim/Australian debate because those kinds of comments are really not helpful in the promotion of good relations between the two. I think the Muslim people as a whole would be pretty pissed that you have the nerve to speak on their behalf.

While I am at it- I have a bit more advice. Perhaps you should choose one and promote it welll rather than many causes poorly. So just pick one- either saving live exported critters, advancing the cause of Muslims or advocating for the Aboriginal people or protecting the greyhound dogs of Australia. Just pick one and do it well!

One last suggestion. You may wish to access people in your organization who have marketing skills because your organization is not presenting themselves to well in the OLO arena- which does get international exposure. You would not want people get the wrong impression of PALE now would you?

CJMorgan- Thanks for taking the heat off me for a few posts- much appreciated.

Ginz- I know how you feel- the mind boggles.

Vanilla- Nice idea “ love exports” It would solve all our problems!

“Awful racist comment
Backed up wassups post when we requested it removed about aboriginals.

Tammyjosaid
I was hoping you could further clarify another statement you made. You stated “I can say with real authority Muslim Leaders have ZERO respect for us Aussies.”
Pale replies
Sure can No problems what so ever.btw that doesn’t mean All Muslims people - just certain Muslim - A must read.

Tammy said
I think the Muslim people as a whole would be pretty pissed...

Actually you’re wrong. It’s the Muslim people who would bbe very upset and actually little you know they already are.
Many are speaking out and have written in the Muslim times not happy with leadership not all all so we stand united actually (the people I mean.)
What they would be upset about is your expesion.that is ‘highly offensive’ to a Muslim Person. I almost didn’t respond to you at all when I saw it. It’s just so sad you people take no time to learn what offends these people. It really would not hurt surely. The other thing is I judge a man or woman by their performance not their religion and if something stinks I speak out regardless of whom they pray to. Makes no difference to me.Your all so scared its sickening.

Tammy said
One last suggestion.
There you go again unable to put regional work for aboriginal areas and plant reopening together along with Animal Welfare working direct with Muslims.
You can’t have one without the other.
Also do we tell you what and where to post?

Like I said get a job and then like Morgan ou will have more to do than pass your time picking on good people who unlike you work get paid and put it back into the community.
Any more Questions?

Study work go bush learn travel do something to educate
yourself or your kids a hobby anything-get a life

And WE pay for this For God Sake!

This would have to be the most bizarre thread I have come across. I presume that the contributor/s from PALE (apart from one, apparently) are of white Anglo/Saxon origin, and therefore cannot speak with real authority about what Muslim people might find offensive. They may know a number of Muslim people but by no means enough to make such a sweeping generalization. Nor do half-truths and partly informed comment constitute fact.

For those looking for a reliable reference to FGM (a practice facoured in many of the Muslim countries to which Australia exports animals), you will find it among research papers at the World Health Oganization. There is nothing "moderate" about FGM. There are degrees in severity, but it remains mutilation. In those countries, female rape victims are often publicly flogged and/or stoned to death, and other miscreants are dealt with with extreme severity.

If Muslim leaders have no respect for Australians, then perhaps they should give some thought to returning to their country/ies of origin, where one presumes they will have some respect for the people, and leaders there. The penalties are harsh if they fail to demonstrate that respect.

That said - the vexed topoic of AWB keeps re-appearing, and since it was all way back in 2003 and no-one was especially interested then, it seems even less relevant five years later, regardless of who the main players were. Finally, the insults in this thread are more spectacular and largely from a major contributor when they are challenged. Why can we not "keep it nice"?

Nicky

This looks like a result of ex-bloggers attempting to debate but incapable of even focusing on one issue. In this case - "Most Muslims are moderate".

My point is, it does NOT matter:-
1. how many Muslims regard themselves as "moderate", 93% or 99.99% is immaterial
2. how the West focus on changing its negative view of Muslims and Islam.
3. how the vast majority want Western democracy and freedoms, but (STRANGELY) do not want them to be IMPOSED.

The outcome is the same if Australia is 99.99% Islamic:
(1) No democracy and freedom.
(2) The remaining 0.01% non-Muslim population will be desperate to get out.

The problem is not whether a Muslim is moderate. The root problem is Islam religion itself.

I repeat - ISLAM is the problem.

Nicky
I was just about to enter some information on the RSPCA thread for you. I made the mistake I guess of thinking you were genioun about putting the animals first but it would be clear that your intentions are to be rid of these terrible people working to reopen Halal Abattoirs in place of live.

That aside I see you now wish to challenge me on my knowledge of what’s happening in Australia with Muslim Leaders etc.

Just before I do I will explain AWB still have to do with it.
Its our best chance of stopping live exports to ME.

AWB still export live animals and stuff all has changed.

Howard and Ruddock twelve weeks or so before the elections in a simple radio flash- one only that AWB was to close die to lack of funding to follow through on investigation where by people would have no doubt bee charged.

When our lawyers contacted Howard’s Downers and Rudocks Vailes – nobody knew who was supposed to be in charge of the funding? Very funny.

Of course it would have been Ruddock’s office.

So you still don’t get it I know. I can feel it.

Well Nicky as I said apart from missing out on seeing criminal charges laid at our old buddies which I am sure you wouldn’t mind either over the export of live animals through AWB and other activities - it’s Still going on...

" Nothings changes... So if it had of continued one thing for sure AWB wouldn’t be exporting at the moment and we would have a precedent and a dam good one for this government to follow."

I know you care and that good but you need to learn to listen as well. Now you don’t really want me to explain to you about Muhammad on Urine surely do you?
I cant see by upsetting the many Muslim reading this will help the Animals Nicky.
Lets leave poor old Muhammad and his Urine problems alone shall we.