Hey guys, settle down! I was only putting PALE's claims into perspective, and I'll probably be right in it for doing so. Rojo, you could be right.

Yabby, please don't worry about me and a real job - I have more work than I can realistically cope with most of the time. As for the scientific study comparing vegetarians to omnivores, can you give us a reference for that please? I'd like to try and work out how I couod possibly have managed to get all my qualifications if I am so undernourished/deficient in carcinogens. I will probably find that terribly difficult, but will give it a try.

But you guys should be more worried - the latest revelations relate to colon and prostate cancer - the former more prevalent in men and the latter only in men (women get childbirth. Unless they're in the Middle East, where they can be publicly flogged if they are raped by men, and/or stoned to death).

As for the ships, and the farmers' contributions to animal "welfare" in the Middle East - watch the evidence. I rest my case. You just want to be able to sleep at night, and that's why you believe the MLA LiveCorp propaganda (just as you accuse us of believing the views of our "side")

And guys - think about it - have I once said, on any thread, that eating meat should be outlawed? All I've said is that cruelty should be.

Nite folks
Nicky

Rojo

With Nicky, as kids go.

Yabby- Funny as! First time I looked at a veggie site.

"I should have known."

Nicky

"Yes we can claim that". Remember the letters Nicky.?

The ones you wanted us to post.

If you set up a hot mail address your welcome to them.

AFIC did put that out to support Lyn and she was greatful.

"Thats right" none of the so called leaders reponded to a sub Muslim Leaders, RSPCA QLD.
Yup= Now you have got it. "Thats my point".

Go one step futher (since you raised it) Andrew Bartlett not only ignored it also but 'personally instructed" his web master to to the pale in conjunction with RSPCA QLD petition against live exports link offhis web site "after it was lodged."?

BTW they had to fight to get it up in the first place. Members figured as AA were up there and they were in Melbourne they wanted QLD locals up too(fair enough)

Be honest Nicky= Thats why you post here isnt it.[ To support AA and PETA.0 Thats fine but dont expect us to drop to our knees like all the other groups.

Now speaking of PETA they refused to reply to us ' ever' and hung up in Taryns and Antjes ear when they contacted by phone=?

Three Times!- Years ago. I am just wondering Nicky what is our crime.

Here we are offering to share our MOUs with Aboriginal councils and Muslim leaders just wanting to improve animal welfare.

We work in conjunction with RSPCA QLD who lets face it are the legal organisation.

Ingred going on TV telling public she was BBQ her skin when she died.

For God Sake! Dont you get it Nicky? Nobody listens to PETA.

The connection between them and AA isnt helping= Its hindering!

Wish for the animals sake you gave us a fair go.

Yabby - We dont pay ourselves.

Nor do we fund raise because if we did that it would take too much time away from working on projects to help animals.

I had an interesting and disturbing conversation with someone that supplies those photos and 'raid' videos for AA.

She doesnt give a shite about the suffering of the pigs she photographs. Its all just to try and shock people.

She is not interested in helping the pigs in the pictures or changing their conditions for the better - just stop eating meat, thats her only agenda.

How hollow and uncaring, to go in there and just use those poor animals and exploit their misery for her own purposes.

Doesnt matter about the here and now, just a fantasy about converting the world to vegetarianism.

Hey Folks!
I posted this "discussion subject" to try to get somebody out there to tell me convincingly EXACTLY what happens to ALL the surplus unsold meat when it reaches it`s "use by" date....but for some strange reason this post has now turned into a further discussion about the rights and the wrongs of Halal!
I live in regional Queensland where Woolies is NOT open on Sunday and I have never seen a mutitude of "markdown" prices in any of the supermarket meat sections at any time,and believe me I have looked ....thus the reason for the original question!
I strongly suspect that we are all being screwed by these big businesses who are using any excuse at all to apply higher prices to ALL commodity items ( with very little if any being returned to the grower or producer)
I suspect that a large amount of "used by date" meat is given away to friends, employees and the like, ...(after being claimed as an insurance loss by the company concerned),....and it has been going on for a very long time!
I had hoped that there was somebody out there who is or had been prepared to blow the whistle on this business, which is indirectly costing the consumers a small fortune in inflated prices...but there is obviously NOT!
I DID expect a lot of support for Woolies as there are an awful lot of "Mum and Dad" shareholders out there who seem to be morally blinded by the great dollar sign!

Cup handle

Was that damage control?

Haven’t heard from. Interesting timing.

Are you not concerned about pales complaints against the peak animal welfare group relating to the Animal Welfare Senate Enquiry?

Tell me why is it that you think they were not interested and in fact black listed us just for trying to help the Animals.

Lets face it to pull off a MOU with Muslim Leaders to work together to improve lives of farm animals was a shot in the arm for animals.

No comment to that or PFs comment “either”.

Ever wondered why after twenty years there are not a huge amount of good farmers working together with these people. Because PF is right.

There are good farmers out there. PF is one of them but have you girls ever really acted on any advice given.


PF told it the way it is.


If you care about animals do your own thing and also listen to good farmers.

I am not trying to be nasty to you Cup handle Nicky, Dickie.

I am trying to help you help the animals and PF is one hundred percent correct.

Look up. We answered your questions. You will be pleased to know Chris Bowen and Kevin Rudd are opening an enquiry into prices from farm gate to plate..

It will run six months.

Halal is a trillion dollar industry about meat.' Pork is Forbidden BTW

Didnt you see PFs comment.

We are very fortunate to have a couple of farmers posting on these OLO threads

What troubles me is why you animal lovers do not listen to them...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe- just maybe they might know a tad more than people who are not farming.

Or have you ever stopped to think perhaps they just might want to improve Animal Welfare in their own way.

Or that they feel sorry so many people are misleading possibly.

I suspect your comment was to defuse PFs comment.

Pale can say that they are in agreement with PFs comment based “on experience.”

Cup Handel it is your thread and a very good one thanks.
My information about what we once called blood and Bone wagons came from personal experiences.
Too many years ago mum and dad called this then just teenager into the house.
That told this country kid I was on Sunday nights train to Sydney to start work .
Monday before dawn I got in the truck that picked up the waste, two years latter I left never knowing you could take a day of sick or that 12 hours days meant paid overtime I never got.
I did learn about waste meat products, it is far to valuable to waste so it is not.
The fat or lard if you wish is in foods soap, cosmetics and just about every thing.
The bone becomes meat meal and that well used and known fertilizer blood and bone.
In those two years I saw very little wasted meat, if I did it was in those baskets on the way to being reused.
Threads wander, surely no harm done? animal welfare is along side religion this forums more talked about subject.
That kid is better of for those two years but was replaced even then by another kid who would work for little as I drive around Sydney all these years after I still recall those shops and the hot meat waiting to feed tradesmen and me at 4am.