Yabby
Fiddle Sticks, Crikey can`t you think while your reading?.

Fair dinkum, Stone the crows, I should have named this thread just - “pokies” .ah

In your case I am pretty sure you really don’t know however the Government do.

Or is it just greed and the lack of any humanity towards our Australian Animals that binds you lot together.

We also read “between the lines’ and follow the trial of blood money all the way to the political party donations.

That’s always been your problem Yabby- you believe everything you read on Industries web sites and repeat it like a parrot with no personal investigations- unlike some of the public.

Oh Yabb`s yes Please-```````````` Lets stay on topic of the thread speaking of lies and follow it all the way back to Landmark shall we?

What a lovely bunch of grubs that lot are.!

Ah but alas now I finally understand you. Your one of those people who have been brain washed by Lankmark.
Yabbadabadoo I finally worked it out.

You want to talk about MLA Ok – that certainly fits under the umbrella of this thread so I will disclose some of their lies that I personally have encountered. –Big porkies Yabbs. This could end up being the longest thread on OLO.

Now you try to say Kerry Obrien is naïve. Umm Hardly Yabby. What he is in fact is a clever poly playing with words to win an election.

Rudd will need to go much further than this. I still have not forgiven him for not disclosing to the public that AWB are very big Live Animal Exporters in the AWB Enquiry.
It was a mistake. However not such a big mistake that he cant go back and fix it.
Perhaps it was Kevin himself that underestimated the huge public interest in the cruel live trade of our Australian Farm Animals.

It doesn’t seem like Obrien has the same problem and if Kevin support Obrien and listens to the public we may never see a National Liberal Government again.
It is going to happen- Sooner or later

Now Yabby, size doesn’t matter ….. so they say, but consumer awareness and outrage grows every day and so will the lobbying no doubt. I think there will definitely be some concessions made and my bet is on banning live trade with the ME.

Pale – back to who told what lies.

“He speaks of getting a lot of representation from the public. So do I, but they are attributable to Animals Australia and other extremist groups.” That was Mcgauran’s statement. He may have lumped every thinking australia with an opinion on this into the extremist basket, but he did in fact acknowledge letters from the public.

You have to have your facts straight if you want to play with the big boys.

"Crikey can`t you think while your reading?."

Pale, perhaps you should try reading, then thinking, or we will get
more scatterbrain posts from you :)

The transcript of the debate is on the Landline website. I can't
see what you are getting your knickers in a twist about.

Pale, I simply don't jump to conspiracy theories as you do.
Show me information on a website on that is wrong, I will take
note. So far its your porkies that I don't believe.

At the end of the day, rational thought will prevail, when all
the veggie hysteria has died down.

Being science minded, this raises some interesting questions for
me and for Australia. Are you going to try and ban Kosher slaughter
in Australia, where throats are slit? Or just Halal slaughter where
throats are slit? What about Aussie backyard butchering, where
throats are slit? What about hogtieing sheep, will it be illegal?
Or are these things only wrong, if they happen in the ME?

McGauran has done the right thing in launching a scientific enquiry
into pain at slaughter, so that we know the truth. Both Islamic
and Jewish faiths state that one should be kind to animals.
Both Islam and Jews claim to have scientific evidence which shows
that their procedures cause less pain then Western stunning methods.
So we shall see. I don't jump to conclusions, lets see the evidence.
If veggie groups insist on stunning first, then perhaps Jews will
have to import their meat from another country, as thats not Kosher.

Dickie's EU website confirms that lots of modern Western meat plants
have been built in the Middle East. So clearly its not all as
the veggie brigade shows it. We also know of flash new boats,
again not like is shown on the veggie websites. The industry certainly
has changed, when will the veggie brigade acknowledge that?

We clearly need more information from less biased sources. So there
are lots of questions that need answering, before we rush to
any conclusions, as many have done

PF.

If Australia is a meat eating country by the majority of 96%- then it ought to be obvious to Mr McGauran that vegetarian extremists are in the minority.


A little story
Several years ago we contacted one of the original founders involved in establishing the first enquiry into Animal Welfare.

It was finally decided that they would be granted a enquiry into Animal Welfare but ONLY if it was all presented from the one view point.

They said they didn’t want half a different angles or slants on it. Umm,

Please don’t get me wrong. They worked” hard and made a mile stone” to even get an enquiry especially way back then.

However the stage was set without them even realising it.

I still don’t think they realise it. If they do then Animal Welfare is nothing more than a well oiled political wheel.

The Polly’s- knew back then this Animal Welfare issue could bite them on the bum.

So they set it up to hold any enquires from a veggie point of view [only].

That set a precedent which could be used for years to come.


The reason of course they did that was to discredit any evidence that they presented.

It made it easy for the media to write off all valid complaints as – those bunch of extremists veggies to the public. - Damage control-

We suspect this method is still being used today.

Sure they will give them their enquires- because we know in the end they have the media to brand all complaints as coming from a bunch of veggie extremists.

Peter McGauran was requested for that very reason to establish a new Animal Welfare registry.
To give the 96% of the public an equal have discussed this issue at length by phone, written correspondence and in person.

Now he says Animal Welfare concerns by the public are already represented and the publics views are expressed by the very people he than brands extremists-

RSPCA demanded Live Exports STOP Peter McGauran and they are made up by thousands of members of the Australian Public.!

"Dickie's EU website confirms that lots of modern Western meat plants
have been built in the Middle East. So clearly its not all as
the veggie brigade shows it."

Yabby, You speak with forked tongue. Please refrain from twisting the truth or we may have to ressurrect the previous misinformation you have peddled in an attempt to dupe the reader.

The following excerpt exposes the real agenda the importers have to build "Western" abattoirs which is simply to increase their supply of live animal exports and is not out of any concern for animals.

"The Eid al-Adha tradition of amateur slaughter and individually commissioned custom slaughter have been invoked by some Middle Eastern governments as a PRETEXT for permitting only imports of live animals.

"This functions as an indirect subsidy in support of western-style slaughterhouses recently built in many Middle Eastern port cities. The year-round cattle import industry has gradually grown LARGER, at some ports, than the import of cattle for Eid al-Adha.

"This in turn has produced an awkward alliance of animal advocates with European slaughter workers, in agreement that live exports should be replaced by the sale of frozen carcasses.

"The anti-subsidy campaign was also supported by the Taxpayers’ Alliance and the Taxpayers’ Association of Europe."

http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/06/01/endofliveEUCattleexports01.06.htm

Ah Pale, perhaps Mcgauran is not so silly.

Perhaps he "reads between the lines" as you do and suspects
that you are actually a closet veggie, pretending to like
meat, but in fact plan to start a chain of Halal veggie
burgers eventually. Perhaps he could be correct :)

Never mind, the public will of course flock to the "Yummy
Lamb Burger" stand.