PF
Thank you.
Yes I have seen it. Brilliant.

Yesterday I was speaking to the head buyer of Woolworths.

We had a great debate about what free range pork really is.

Its been on for your and old up here as our people trot into the stores and ask for free range pork.

Most managers dont even know what it is.

They ask you. Sorry but what`s that?

The even bigger concern is the buyer didnt really know or understand the difference himself.
We also discussed RSPCA accreditation at lenght and the fact that the public would not be satisfied with anything less than the real deal.

He proudly started to say that they had- this farm and that farm and hoped to have etc etc in QLD next year.

He went on to say that they were trying for this Christmass and recomeded a certain plant.

We told him that wasn`t! free range and he sounded quite surprised.
We caught out one of his stores telling porkies that a product was fre range.

He was interested when I said there was a farmer in NSW that could assist Woolworths with the "real deal" He asked perhaps he could speak to that person to get some ideas and guidelines and also promte that persons farm and products.
We spoke about Woolworths assisting to establish free Range Farms for Pork and other products.
Joint Ventures with Russian Business men etc and Aussies. We spoke about a training Franchise arrangement paying a head farmer to advise etc.
As Woolworths are into petrol and other products this is not out of the question.
He is arranging the manager and director to discuss this idea more.
I told him I would ask the farmer I had in Mind doing free Range Pork would they speak to him as well
So I guess its up to you if you would be interested to talk to him.
Again Thanks

Pale, I appreciate that you are trying to help but let me briefly explain what is happening in the free range industry.

Its not more sales we need, its more farmers.

Woolworths is not a target market. My belief is that they are in cohutes with the big players to develop a free range standard that will allow for animals raised in sheds to be classified as such. "bred' free range they like to call it. Its so easy to make that look so good compared with conditions in factory farms.

McGauran says he calls for a uniform and enforcable approach but I wouldnt get excited until we find out what the definition is going to be.

PF

Sorry I did not make myself clear. We were discussing "just that".
More Free Range Farmers and ways to establish farms educating and training new farmers.

There is no reason why they cant take some responsibility to the product they sell.

That would insure the required advertising exposure which in return serves them well too.



bare with us.
We are limited in knowledge especially having given most time to Halal.

What about a package deal for Migrants sea change family’s -aboriginal people and regional people.?
That way you get the State and Federal Government funding combined with the support from both State and Federal Ministers of employment health aboriginal Ag and trade onboard along with the funding of the Russians or Investors.
They come and buy into Free Range Farms and training comes along with it.

I know it’s an art and you need someone who can look an animal in the eye and just know something’s wrong but lets start somewhere.

Older Farmers as advisors being paid- to be available by video link up until the new farmers found their feet.

Maybe start by doing a AG school and have a free range farm right there which would be self producing.
What do you think?

Regarding Peter McGauran free range project it won’t be his. It will just be what he’s advised to do by the self serving Industry.

That’s why we wanted you on the advisory board.

There are far too many experts on these boards advising that know nothing.
These Ministers are all x lawyers mostly. They get given different port Folios but rely on the Industry heavily for directions.

For example that the Ministers in Government actually “really believed” that Muslims didn’t have electricity and demanded animals alive for ritual slaughters.

It was a porky told by the industry a long time ago when the heat first started.
They thought it was hilarious that the Ministers were silly enough to believe them.
Some Ministers still do.

Pretty sure Peter still isn’t sure what to believe.

Anyway what`s your thoughts on the Free Range Pork Farms?

Cattle Spaying - ovaries cut out - no anaesthesia - no not the Middle East - it's Australia! This treatment of defenceless heifers and cows is simply an entree to the main course!

Spaying.
Female calves in some particularly remote and extensive properties (especially in Queensland and the Northern Territory) may be ‘spayed’ without analgesia to prevent pregnancies.

Flank spaying involves entering the abdomen through a cut made in the flank of the animal. When performed without anaesthesia there is a level of pain and distress to the animal that is totally unacceptable. In nearly all instances this procedure is performed WITHOUT anaesthesia.

In heifers and undeveloped cows, passage spaying by hand is only possible with the aid of a mechanical device to spread the vaginal passage. This procedure inflicts extreme pain to the animal and causes irreparable damage to the vagina. The greater proportion of spaying is performed on undeveloped cattle where the procedure requires the use of spreaders.

Another method, the Willis Technique, is increasingly being used in the Northern Territory and Queensland. This method involves an operator placing his/her arm into the back passage of the calf and cutting the ovaries out. Again, no analgesia or anaesthesia is used, and the operators must be highly skilled to avoid internal damage and infections.

None of these ‘proceedures’ is performed using anaesthetic or analgesic follow-up. Rarely are they carried out by veterinary surgeons; most being undertaken by unqualified untrained workers.

Dickie
Dawn Shame live Exports is a fantasic operator.
I recall her being one of the few that saw the merritt in establishing free range farms.

Of course this treatment is unexceptable which only makes Yabbys claims that Australia is leading the way teaching the Middle East Compassion for animals a joke.

I am going to say it like it is despite whom I upset from where!
Four years ago we offered to bring this to a federal court.

All of it Dickie. Australias lack of Animal Welfare.

We needed Glenyce of Animals Australia to assist in briefing the heavy weight barristers because we didnt want to rely totally on Hugh Wirth.[ Too much for one person lets face it]
Animals Australia said NO.

So there you go Dickie.
The man who was to head it is now a judge so we lost him.

I am angry about that and rightfully so.

RSPCA CEO QLD was right behind it.

To stop them being mutilated without pain treatment we need a training programe run by the DPI and RSPCA.

Many Many aboriginal and regional area people could be trained to do this.
Another little secret
Several years ago we contacted the Minister for tourism about the cruelty such as you describe inthe outback.
Joe Hockey was away and being replaced by a lady. I will dig her name up as its slippled my mind.
She said - So what . I have helped hold bulls down while the men tor the balls out with their teeth.
Ah but what good advertsing for Joes Office at the time.

We just so happend to have a journo from the UK working in the office at the time.
' They headed for the hills in droves as he contacted them to confirm the story.

The bottom line IS- We need to establish free Range humane farms run under "proper supervision".

There is no other way.
Then we can advertsise what we DONT do on our farms with these pictures.
Have you contacted RSPCA for a comment?