Young Dan
Thank You, perfect. That’s perfect. We will look at it.

Arjay-

No we are not libbers or vegetarians. We are just ordinary members of the public that eat meat but want it to be humane from paddock to plate.

Those would be the members of the public that Peter denied he had ever heard from on National TV on Sunday on the ABC.

You remember those people don’t you Peter? The ones that you flew your advisor up to meet with.
They are the 96% of Australian people who eat meat that we discussed wanted to be represented simply as members of the public. Please Note Peter- PEOPLE Against Live Exports!

Are we now to believe that all the thousands of the public who are members of RSPCA are not counted as public by you as well?

CG
This thread is about Peter McGauran’s lies- not to debate labour costs in other countries which I am happy to do on the other thread.

Steel
Steel–

Alas you have hit the nail on the head.. I would like much more space to respond to you in particular. Yabby has requested more posts from Graham Young especially for the people who opened the thread. [ A rare insight from our resident rat Yabbs]
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I will leave our sensitive Yabb`s to Dickie who has caught him out on one of his little porkies again!.
I think he actually enjoys the attention and response he gets from some posters so he works harder to torment.

There is much more we can do Steel.

Educating the public while is very important doesn’t but doesn’t go anywhere near far enough.

The only answer is for a Government to reverse some of the stacked levies- and done trade deals.The bottom line is to get plants re opened..

You do that by introducing farmers at grass root levels to overseas buyers.

If everybody forgot the Government and MLA, Austrade and their stacked deck things would be fixed.
All they do is block us from importing skilled labour for regional areas.

To be Continued

I'm not sure whether it was McGauran or O'Brien that mentioned that it was no longer the shipping of the animals that was of concern to the public, but the treatment of them at the other end. With the Australian govt and MLA involved in increasing the animal welfare standards in the ME, banning Australian live exports would only prolong the current practices. Further improvements are required over there, fully illustrated by dickie's links.

It shouldn't take the public long to realise that the live export industry actually provides leverage for change in the middle east, as Australian govts and MLA work towards and actually demonstrate humane animal treatment. No presence, no voice.

Rojo- " BS".

continued
MLA live off `us` the public. It is - WE the public that pay with our public tax funds to give them their jobs.

The first thing a Rudd Government should do if ellected is tell the MLA to pull their heads in and show the public some respect.

Then Stop the publics money being spent overseas to build [ whatever] in 'other countries'

Put it to the public Mr Rudd- Where do you want your public money being spent? Here or in Middle East?

Here in the regional areas where we have droves of tree change familes and Aboriginal People - pluss migrants coiming into this country needing work- Or The Middle East?

Then do whatever the public ask you.

Thats the way its `supposed to work` but the Howards and National are arrogant to the public and treat the funds as if they were their own.

Even now- how many of the public actually know the Howard and the National send their money to promote the cruel live animal trade?

Let me tell you - A lot more people will know soon.

The street I live in is FULL of people who knock on the door asking what else they can do to stop the live animal trade.

We are just people.- public

They are just people.- public

That is why we call ourselves PEOPLE AGAINST LIVE EXPORTS Mr McGuran as "you well know".

A good ALP Government would STOP the Australians publics money being spent in other countries and spent it HERE in Australia instead.

The ALP wonderful people but the unions would cripple meat plants "if" allowed to get out of hand again.

I think the Shadow Minister for Trade is a smart cookie and Burnie his advisor as well[ forget Jack]- so Kevin Rudd does have the team if he personally has the forsight and will.

Live Exports would have to be fazed out gradually so not to effect farmers.

ALP however have some cluey blokes in the AMIEU and with the Australian Public support we can ALL FIX IT.

"MLA live off `us` the public. It is - WE the public that pay with our public tax funds to give them their jobs."

Bollocks Pale. 80% of the MLA budget comes from mainly farmers,
some from live exporters and meat processors. The 20% from
Govt co contribution for r&d is spent at various places, including
Australian research institutions.

Tens of thousands of farmers get to vote on how the money that
they contributed is spent. You the public certainly do not give
them their jobs, we the farmers do.

Yet another Pale porkie

Yabby
What are you on? Its dollar for dollar. Industry and the Government from OUR public purse!
PF
You have asked all the right questions.

Do best I can with the space.
You asked why I said Peter Lied.
It would be clear to most of the public if Kerry Obrien sat there saying -he had more letters from the public about the live animal trade than anything else while -Mcgraun said the opposite "one of them were lying."

It doesnt make sense that the public would have ONLY written to the opposition over all these years of protests.

He said on Land Line that Animals Australia were behind all the letters. Well PF thats just nonesense and he knows it.

They do a very good job at informing the public of the truth and he doesnt like them because of it.
Especially the X police officer that he dare`s to try to discredit.

A decent person who put their life on the line for the Australian public for over twenty years- then again to bring the truth home to Australians as to what is happening to our Australian Animals in the Middle East- And How WE Australians are eve helping to pasy for it- to add insult to injury.

Every man and his dog knows that the RSPCA whom are made up by thousands of members of "the public" have long cried out to stop this barbaric trade.

I wonder if he is a member of a football club? Or a church?
Then we can call him an extremist.

What a load of utter BS. The public last year saw an all out brawl between Animal Welfare people last year.
We had the blind eye on ABC. The five page spread report in the Australian- not to mention its a matter of record there is no love lost between the giant USA group PETA and ourselves.
However as Peter McGuran fully knows all of these people have one thing in common.

They have been swamped by the public and to say anything else is a silly lie- Another one!

"What are you on? Its dollar for dollar. Industry and the Government from OUR public purse!"

I am on about the ability to read. Surely an organisation such
as yours, which makes all sorts of claims about MLA, would have
a copy of the 2006-2007 Annual report. My copy is here on
my desk, it arrived a couple of weeks ago.

Now go and look who is funding what, where the money comes from
and where it goes. $ for $ applies only to research and development,
not the whole MLA budget. Fact is, farmers finance by far the
largest part of MLA, so your claims are wrong.

Most of that r&d is spent on all sorts of r&d programmes,
plant breeding, agronomy, etc etc. So your claims that you
should have a say in MLA are wrong, as you clearly don't make
any contributions to the levy payments. If you were a farmer,
you would get a vote, like the rest of us tens of thousands
of farmers.

McGauran is correct in that he is aware that various veggie groups
are encouraging people to bombard his office with letters and
emails. Its well organised, but lets be frank, its only a tiny
% of the Australian public. Politicians know all about lobbying
campaigns, they are not silly.

O'Brien is perhaps less aware of the size of the lobbying attempt
and the fact that these groups don't want to discuss individual
conditions or improvements, they just want the trade shut down
at any cost. Its not going to happen.