Yabby
The facts is Peter McGuran lied . That is the point of this thread.
The fact more than half that money you talk about IS the property of the Australian people.
The fact IS as Kerry Obrien Said- hes had more emails and phone calls from members of the public about the cruelty of the live animal trade than anything else.
What a huge insult to the RSPCA from the Government who has campainged for years! for the trade to be stopped.

RSPCA have thousands of members who are of course also members of the public.
Come to think of it the football teams are groups also.

Does that mean we should ignore all their members of public who are also members of the football club?
Mean time here are a few words from the public Mr Howard and Mr McGuran.
2007-10-13 Kathleen Nye Australia Australia is a nation of shame. Politicians, intent on obtaining profits for a few, are an ignominious blot on this country. In 2005, processed meat to Muslim countries totalled some $5.9 billion whilst live animal exports totalled less that $1 billion. Muslims do eat meat processed from our Halal abattoirs in Australia. The leaders of this nation are immoral and unethical in their greedy pursuits for profits, where they support the most heinous torture of sentient creatures. Thank you Minister McGauran and where is the voice of the opposition on the heinous cruelty and slaughter of our animals?? Rock apes!! 2007-10-13 Kathleen Nye Australia Australia is a nation of shame. Politicians, intent on obtaining profits for a few, are an ignominious blot on this country. In 2005, processed meat to Muslim countries totalled some $5.9 billion whilst live animal exports totalled less that $1 billion. Muslims do eat meat processed from our Halal abattoirs in Australia. The leaders of this nation are immoral and unethical in their greedy pursuits for profits, where they support the most heinous torture of sentient creatures. Thank you Minister McGauran and where is the voice of the opposition on the heinous cruelty and slaughter of our animals?? Rock apes!

Arjay
Thanks for your posts. No no connection to AL. Although we support everybody who believes in a fair go for farm animals.

We work with RSPCA QLD on the live trade issue and many other thousand ordinary members of the public.

We also work with some Muslim leaders to introduce farmers direct to buyers to cut out the cruel greedy middle man and give farmers a better price
see
http://www.halakindmeats.com/
Yabby the point is half of the three point eight mill is the public money!
As Kerry Obrien said if public say they want it stopped and replaced with exporting chilled me then Any Government would have to listen to the public.

Young Dan
Thank you for the information- its really interesting.
As to your question- The Answer is justice.

I will leave you with some messages to Peter Mcguran from the public-

2007-10-12 Tammy fulsang USA Please ban this horrible and cruel transportation of animals. Anyone who would support this is the worst kind of animal and should be transported by the same means.
2007-10-11 Linda Stratford Australia (enter comments here)
2007-10-11 Greg Stratford Australia (enter comments here)
2007-10-11 Lyndy Johnston Australia (enter comments here)
2007-10-10 mariel butterworth usa stop its unecessary cruel and babaric
2007-10-06 Annette Bezor Australia (enter comments here)it is beyond my comprehension that humans treat other sentient creatures like this. It must stop

Pale, I think that people like McGauren are simply aware that groups
like yourself and AA, are obsessed with the topic. Pro forma
emails and letters are encouraged by their website, a bit like
the Catholics when it comes to abortion, ie the same kind
of religious fervour.

Just look on OLO. How many people actively debate this topic?
Without myself, who would you talk to ? :)

Fact is people in Australia vote with their wallets every day.
By far the majority buy battery cage eggs, compared to free range.
Now battery chooks face a far worse life then any free range sheep
which spends a couple of weeks on a boat.

I have actually sold some lambs to go to Mecca this year for the Hajj.
They are going on the best boat, so transport will be comfortable.
Over there they are slaughtered in huge abattoirs set up especially
for the Hajj and pilgrims. Around a couple of million are slaughtered
in a short time, the pilgrims don't even see their lambs. The meat
is given to the poor.

The contracted price for these lambs is 60$. The best that the locals
could manage for the same lambs, is around 20$. Why would any sensible farmer sell locally?

Given that you are obsessed, you clearly won't have a rational
answer :) But if any rational people think about it, they might
well see another perspective, compared to the one that the fanatics are
suggesting.

Hi Yabby, If think if you stopped debating PALEIF, they would have some very short threads indeed! :) All respects intended PALEIF, but you do approach this with religious fervour, which is usually just easier to ignore than discuss with.

A point that I just noticed (and apologies if it was raised on your last thread, but as noted above, it just became too much to follow). I do wonder whether local slaughtering could be considered to be value-adding at all. Now, before I progress any further, let me note that my comments relate mainly to the NSW state of affairs, so you might need to alter things a bit for WA or QLD. Consider that most local abbatoirs in NSW have gone broke, I dont think it is them that are the greedy farmer-squeezers. The big duopoly is another kettle of fish entirely, focussed as they are on short-term shareholder return only. But, I'm starting to side-track already. One of the problems with the Australian market that Yabby has been pointing out for at least the last 18 months, is our HR system, including wages levels, and inability to absorb increases in supply. I wonder what the wages of the average Egyptian/Saudi meat worker is? Perhaps this is why exporters can afford to pay $60/head, and local meatworks only $20/head, even if the final destination of the product is the same. This differential with wages is the main reason why the process of "value-adding" can be a bit of a furphy, particular if the process is labour-intensive. That's why its cheaper to send our wool and cotton to China to be made into apparel, then ship it back here, as opposed to doing the vaue-add ourselves. Food for thought...

"How come then you STILL ignore the largest petition in this country and world wide which has nothing to do with AA ? See>And read the comments from the PUBLIC Peter after all they are written to YOU! Perhaps we can now send it to Kerry who isnt so arrogant as you."

It's not as simple as mere arrogance. Who has the government's ear, if not you? Follow the political pressure and the money. Who stands to benefit from the continued trade? Probably, a small amount of farmers and the government, in trade export $. The only thing that will make them listen, if they are too stubborn and/or effeminate to do something, seems to be through a tangible political cost to them, threatening their power. It's either up to the politicians to lead, or the people to force them to. If neither is helping you at this time educating people or spreading your message seems to be all that you can do.

Pale. I am interested to know what the exact lie is that you accuse McGauran of making.

You say that he lied about the amount of public that have contacted his office. He did in fact mention a lot of representations received by his office. It’s the format he has a problem with: form letters sent via animal welfare sites.

From what I can recall of the interview pale, you have wrongly accused McGuaran. He did acknowledge the receipt of public contacts.

Pale said: “The facts is Peter McGuran lied . That is the point of this thread.”

It would seem that, like most threads you post on, that the point is really just to keep flogging the same live export argument.

You really need a change of strategy. Your idea of killing here is a good one, its just not going to happen in hurry. Come up with workable solutions in the mean time.

McGauran came off badly (re live exports) in that interview and made some rather stupid statements. I thought the comment that it 'is an industry to be proud of' would be one he would live to regret.