I was in Malaysia once upon-a-time,..nice place, good food, until I found out what they serve on the outskirts of Kualalumpur (I think I spelled that wrong)..
...in any event, story goes...they actually eat dogs over there, along with cats, they are quite partial to alsations, as this was what was found hanging in the meat fridges at the rear of one restaurants by animal protection groups...all cleverly skinned and wrapped in cheese cloth, frozen after being imported from god knows where, stolen perhaps from some possible dog lover who's dog went missing.

Yabby

Everybody knows we argue with Animals Australia and Animal Liberation to help reopen abattoirs here.

Havent you worked out yet? Whats REALLY going on between us and them?

Its political - Thats why the others refuse to help!
"Some are no more than a front for votes for labour.'

Its the members I feel sorry for who send donations THINKING they are helping the animals.

The greens have got it a hundred percent correct.- Hence this media R by Andrew that follows-



Subject: Election 07 DEMOCRATS MEDIA - Greens get it wrong on animal welfare Demcocrats set the record straight - Senator Bartlett + Greens Document

Media Statement
Wednesday 24 October 2007

SENATOR ANDREW BARTLETT
Queensland Democrat Senator


Greens get it wrong on animal welfare

Democrats set the record straight- bla bla.

No Andrew The Greens havent got it wrong! You and your little friend that worked with you all those years ago together in your political office mananged to fool many animal lovers but we are not so blind and nor are the greens.

More on you and your "special friend joined 'front for votes for ALP later.-"


I feel really sorry for the many members of groups that are mislead by people who were 'first established to gain votes for the ALP through another party.'
Ask yourself why nobody would really support Free Range Pig Farmers Lee ?
I mean REALLY why!

Rojo- Wrong I said the last person who "died" of Anthrax not lived.

BTW- What I said was I believe in Karma. Those people who dont do anything to stop the cruelty of live exports will one day pay by being killed in the same manner in the streets.

The enermy will be strong filled with nourishment from the blood of tormented animals and their hatred of the people who turned their backs on them.

Rojo if I could die for them - to save what we put millions of Animals through each year I would.
Unfortunately I am not Jesus Christ.
Church Leaders have a duty of care to Gods Creatures

Hello Spanky

Yup they are really the sensitive type in Malyasia.

Umm By the way - The Dogs you mentioned -You might not be aware Australia exports LIVE DOGS too.

Oh Of course only as pets according to AQIS.

Now I ask you would AQIS and our Government lie?

please see

http://www.aact.org.au/greyhounds.htm

BTW- Give my regards to Graham Y if your up late.

No Spanky - not stirring - just trying to tell it the way it is.

Just letting the public know that Animal Welfare groups in Australia are not ALL as the good public blindly think.

Do you know Spanky there are thousands of members of the public out there that have been misleasd for years.?

Ask yourself this-
If YOU were trying to stop Animals[ Any Animals] that are used for meat being sent Alive Overseas how would you suggest it was done.?

Thats right Spanky- killing them `here` IS the only answer.

So doesn`t it stand to reason its more than a little sus when you have powerful groups lobbying to stop us from acheiving that very thing? At the SAME TIME asking the public for donations to BAN LIVE EXPORTS.
Huh?

Years of taking from the good public and many members ONLY to NOT support killing them here?

So why show awful pictures to the public of intensive farms and live exports asking for money - only to behind the scene not support a programe to reopen plants here?
Huh?
With your type of logic at time you may be just the man to figure it out.

You call it stirring -but I call it telling it how it is.

It seems he Greens are doing the same.


Good On them for that.

We have been saying the same thing about these clicky little animal welfare groups with political agends for years.

Also Beleive it or NOT I dont think many have actually worked out they are being used for votes for ALP.

How dumb is that!

Conspiracy theories and constant attempts to ‘out’ someone – how does that help your cause. You have proven over and over again that you yourself cannot be trusted with a confidence. Anyone that speaks with you has your interpretation of the event splattered all over this forum.

As far as your condemnation of animal welfare groups, its clearly another case of because they don’t agree with you, they are in the wrong. They don’t believe in killing animals full stop so of course they are not going to support the building of more abattoirs. Right or wrong, that is their philosophy. You claim a close relationship with the RSPCA – I don’t see them proposing more plants.

The pictures of live exports and intensive farming you speak of do a great job because it is peoples ignorance of what is going on that allows these practices to continue. I don’t care what intensive industry it is, educate people and their will be change. Trouble with the animal welfare sites is though, they try so hard to tug at heart strings, they lose credibility by overstating the facts. It leaves room for industry to put the usual ‘extremist’ spin at what they claim.

Wendy, why do you constantly insist that free range farms need government support? Do you have some sort of welfare mentality? Free range farmers are doing just fine, quietly going about their own business and educating people as they go. The industry grows steadily in line with public awareness. In the end, people will force change with their wallets.

The best thing you could do wendy is to learn to shut your mouth and stop ridiculing those that are doing good work.

Hello Spanky
Yup they are really the sensitive type in Malyasia. Umm By the way - The Dogs you mentioned You might not be aware Australia exports LIVE DOGS too.
Oh Of course only as pets according to AQIS. Now I ask you would AQIS and our Government lie?

please see

http://www.aact.org.au/greyhounds.htm

BTW- Give my regards to Graham Y if your up late.

No Spanky - not stirring - just trying to tell it the way it is.

Just letting the public know that Animal Welfare groups in Australia are not ALL as the good public blindly think.

Do you know Spanky there are thousands of members of the public out there that have been misleasd for years.?

Ask yourself this-
If YOU were trying to stop Animals[ Any Animals] that are used for meat being sent Alive Overseas how would you suggest it was done.?

Thats right Spanky- killing them `here` IS the only answer.

So doesnt it stand to reason its more than a little sus when you have powerful groups lobbying to stop us from acheiving that when at the SAME TIME asking the public for donations to BAN LIVE EXPORTS.
Huh?

Years of taking from the good public and many members ONLY to NOT support killing them here?

So why show awful pictures to the public and ask formoney to help stop the cruelty of the live trade- only to behind the scene not support a programe to reopen plants here?
Huh?
With your twisted logic at time you may be just the man to figure it out.
you call it stirring but I call it telling it how it is.
It seem bob Brown is now going the same way.
Good On him for that.
I totally support him regarding his comments. We have been saying the same thing about these clicky little animal welfare groups with political agends for years.
Also Beleive it or NOT I dont think many have actually worked out they are being used for votes for ALP.
How dumb is that

Crikey Lee
The Democrats record stretches back as far as founder Don Chipp, who set up the long-running Senate Select Committee on Animal Welfare.
Trouble is Lee the idea was good but it turned out being veggie only to keep a lid on it.

RSPCA do support the reopening of abattoirs and have long stated the need to reopen abattoirs.
Although we work excusivly with QLD Branch.
Who was it that ran the ABC Blind Eye?. Who was it that did a five page spread in the Australian?

All those conspiracy theories raised on national TV and You accuse us! if we dare respond.

The difference between you and I Lee is we dont have one foot in each camp.

You send us a copy of a letter from them crying that they would NOT support Free Range Farmers.

Then you complain when we go to bat for the animals and expect us to hide your letter.

We are not going to sneak around.


Your absolutly right btw. They ARE against killing any types of animals.

Australia is a meat eating country Lee. Thats simple not practicle to ban the only group representing meat eaters.

They banned pale from joining WSPA BECAUSE we are involved in opening Abattoirs. We have that in writing.

Umm Ok but isnt the whole idea according to them for the live trade to be banned?
Gee well I wonder why in that case they see anybody opening abattoirs here to divert the live trade as the enermy?


Surley we are entiled to the right to respond to all that anti pale movement over the last six years.

Speaking of mentality if you cant see how silly it is to complain about live exports and intensive farms only to Black list people Group working to reopen plants.

Yes there ARE some good people working hard to help animals.


I think the Greens have put the truth out there and I appluade them for doing so.