Verna? website? Do what i did to others? What on earth are you on about PALE? Just because I put up a link doesnt mean I own it :)

Obviously you dont have a come back for the point Yabby has made do you? Otherwise you would not have found in necessary to launch at me once again.

The point is a valid one. With all the fuss about ships, does anyone care what is happening in our own backyard? Or does your cause discrimate on the ground of how an animal is transported? What is it, to hell the rest, they are not newsworthy enough??

We are happy to answer Yabby.

What we are not going to do is post to yourself Lee.

You simply have no consideration. Here is yet another example by gate crashing Dickies thread regarding live exports.

As we said last time you cant have your foot in both camps. If your going to support the cruel live trade I sincerly suggest you dont use Vernas picture to promote your farm.

You should know very well she strongly opposes the live Animal Trade and its more than a link btw - Its her picture on your site.

We have tried to encourage your free range work with pigs but sadly it would seem its not possibly for you to just post about animal welfare.


History has shown you have destroyed just about every thread on animal welfare regardless of whom started it.

Yabby As for ships btw our programe is to have aboriginal people set up with their own yards and to be building our own.
[ I dont mean live export ships either]

Our role Yabby is to do what we are doing- What you complain Animal Welfare groups do not do-
We work with farmers and overseas meat purchasers. We protest Animal Cruelty and lobby for change to acts by all Governments.

We are NOT getting into another thread to waiste time with Lee`s going on.

Personally I find it difficult to see how anybody could only care about pigs and not all animals who travel from farm gate to plate and before.
Something does not add up.

Dickie- Looking for your thoughts on our suggestions.
We will continue to post regarding MLA and many others unless Lee makes my time on this thread waisted.

If the thread goes off post with personal attacts we simply will not participate.

Lee seems to have a problem with people like you and I who protest Live Animals and Intensive farming.

Then she claims shes against Instensive farming herself.

Just bury your head a little deeper in the sand PALE, and bring out the personal attacks, that will make it all go away ….

It seems the welfare of animals on trucks is irrelivant to you. What you are advocating would mean a lot more sheep be transported over land, what makes you think they will be any better off? You just don’t care though do you. Just get them off ships, what happens after that doesn’t matter it seems.

Pale, your response highlights my point exactly. Blind ideology,
not reasoned thought, is the driver behind the animal libber brigade.

I put forward a humane, practical solution, given the present
circumstances in WA, with its resources boom etc. It would be a
win-win all round, but of course blind ideology gets in the way.

PF reasoned about what I had stated, much to her credit. You on
the other hand, just gave the normal parroted response, diverting
from the core issue as ever.

I certainly hope that MLA would never give an organisation like yours,
a single cent. You are neither a meat processor, research institution,
nor a meat producer. Most MLA funding is in fact
spent in Australia. The small portion spent in the Middle East
is to improve animal welfare in that region. Diverting any of
that funding for other causes, would take it away from a great cause
and would certainly not be in the interests of animals.

Anyhow, you can complain all you like, I doubt if too many take
much notice :)

AWB is and remains a non issue. Yes they own Landmark and yes
Landmark act as commission agents for farmers selling livestock
to the live trade. So what? Its public knowledge, always has been.

Pales web sites and other web sites run by pale clearly complain about the lack of plants to process farm animals.

It goes one step futher and actually makes strong suggestions that farm animals are sold by the net and taken direct to a close by plant.
In order to achieve that we need all Animal Groups to actually help to establish free range farms plants by getting involved at grass roots level both with Aussie Farmers and overseas contacts.

Nothing will change too much if we 'only' lobby the governments and the Industry.
They make their policies by listening to what overseas wants.
Its as simple as that.

They also run MLA Austrade And FF Australia wide with a steal fist.
There is no sense of fair play within this very closed Industry.

To make changes we must by pass them and bring in investors to re open plants.
As many plants as possible to make trips to Abattoirs as short as distance as possible.
Kevin Rudd Still does not have a policy on any of this - or so he says.
We all know its just more of the same. The same lack of regulations and inspections.

The same utter disregard for Trucking Animals long distances.

The last time I looked pale was just one of the many no paid group of people who care enough to try to put forth suggestions to improve all areas of Animal Welfare.

We are not the Government or trucking agencies or the industry itself trucking animals hundreds and hundreds of miles.

I suggest you direct your anger at both All The State Governments and the Federal Government.

pale can NOT do everything ourselves. We are NOT the Government.
Other than your own pigs who travel; two hours according to you-
What are you doing about road for transport for other animals?

As you seem to think its so simple to make these low lifes show some basic decency to Animals Why Dont You Stop The Long hauls?
Also NO free range pork up here for Christmass!

Yabby
Just remember you raised Landmark. I will get into that later but I am not going there now.
I think Dickies thread deserves to stay on post.
Mind you this is what happens. People open threads and end up leaving when the mentality of school yard kids come along.
I have raised it with GY and if he doesnt do something this time we will simply stop posting on OLO .
We are not going to waiste our time.
We have a great deal many more bits of evidence to post for Dickie but not with people making off post comments and doing everything they can to desrtoy this thread.
Then have the hide to say they care about Animals.

Yabby- When I am ready I will diclose info about Landmark.

Right now we are just grateful Dickies opended the thread and think the public reading it might appreciate some more informed posts - not rubbish