Countrygirl-
Sure. Many of your comments have been ‘helpful” in the past months. Take it from us Dickies work is 100% correct.

PF. Well done. Glad to see your working with Verna. THE best operator in Australia. Btw Your work is never off post.

Yabbs- Poor little Yabbs. I know your confused and you cant follow what we are on about.

That’s my point. You really don’t know anything that’s not written on the Industry or Governments web site.

If you knew anything Yabby you would know the sites are all bull for the public. Its common knowledge among operators.

Dickey
It is us who thank you for your hard efforts.

We hope you keep this thread open so we can post facts about MLA, Austrade, Farmers Federations, Peter McGauran’s advisor AVA! RSPCA National? WSPA Dr Hugh Wirth as President of WSPA.- Andrew G O.

Firstly- MLA. David Jones of MLA who “insisted” we were wasting our time speaking to him and MLA about chilled meat exports to Malaysia.

Nothing happening regarding Malaysia said Mr. Jones.?

He also said he didn’t know Mr. Mohamed Ruhmann was?

Ooops!- Mr. Jones isn’t that you standing along side Mr. Mohamed Ruhmann and the Malaysian PM?

http://www.worldhalalforum.org/index.php?mod=content&id=4
Mr Mohamed A Rahman, Halal Coordinator, Australian Federation of Islamic Councils (AFIC) [Download]

Mr David Jones, Marketing Service Manager, Meat and Livestock Australia (MLA) [Download]

Oh Dear somebody has taken the pictures off the site. Wonder Why?

fyi Mr Jones – Heres `another picture`- of Mohamed and ourselves.

http://www.halakindmeats.com/

Let me ASSURE you Dickie if everybody contacts JAKIM instead of the Australian Government they DO listen.

You see Dickie little did MLA David Jones know it was myself working with Amjad that kicked JAKIM off to come to Australia rather than Canada years ago.

We held the enitial meetings to which we invited AA and Dr Wirth MANY times.
There was ZERO interest-

I will expose more bleeps and blunders by MLA and AVA and others throughout Dickies thread in an attempt to educate the public.

Dickie
Give our regards to Yossie.

Dickie the ONLY way it will change is by working with the farmers and overseas Muslim contacts and through JAKIM and Islamic Councils.

Yabby is also correct about the fact that protesting meat eaters is making it worse because the public switch off after a while.

There is great need for change within Animal Welfare Organisations in Australia.

Do NOT be mislead by people with political agendas.

To REALLY make changes you must break free.

Personally I would like to see Verna Dawn Low Mark Pearson Lyn White Trish Brown Maggie and a few others take over the reins.
I would like to se Lyn White heading it.

Meet with JAKIM Meet and with other Muslim Contacts. They will fund you from Saudi.
Meet with the people I posted the letter from at the top.
Stop being TOLD what you can and cant do.
Its the old rough tough meat workers and the Muslims themselves along side Aussie farmers that CAN make the difference.

We dont need to lobby government or Industry. We can just do this and start to faze out the live trade but ONLY by working direct with Saudi and Malyasia and other countries.

All they want is contacts and support.
Sadly as they have said many times themselves they are stuck with HAVING to go through the Australian Government and the Industry and they KNOW they are lied to time and time again - just like us.

Yabby is right. If Animal Welfare groups really want to help they would work towards this- instead of black listing the only group in Australia with this background knowledge and contacts.

Next I would like to discuss You mr Dr Hugh Wirth and your refusal to except pale as members of WSPA.?
As you are President of WSPA along side your background of head of RSPCA National - We are just wondering what the problem is?
Umm perhaps its that we know a little more than your average fund raisers?

Before We Go On - The Answer Is

We A. All ban together and contact farmers to arrange vists from overseas contacts.

B We all sponser a prime time TV Programe such as has done with RSPCA Rescue.

Perhaps it could be run directly after showing and discussing each week footage such as Dickie Placed above and also Intensive Farming.

Each Week we can talk a little more about Live Exports to educate the public.

C We All Lobby united the UN and if need be bring this to a court.

I was Entiley serious btw about the public Enquiry into Intensive Farming and Live Animal exports and this could be a part of the show.

All we need is a pink tent and members to support it. We will supply wittness.

Each week also we could invite people like PACAT Dawn Suzanne Caz and the thousands of people who each have something to share from their own areas.

You have a Pig Farmer up the top that would make a good guest speaker.

Perhaps PF would allow the TV crew to view the farm from a distance and speak about Free Range Pig Farms.

Think about it everyone.
Prime time TV show.
Each person and group being able to get their message out.

Muslim Leaders speaking out to the public letting them know the porkies claiming they MUST have Animal Alive for religious purposes are just that.

Mind you some might not appreciate my expression- but then again some will laugh.
These Muslim people are highly educated and VERY interested in Australias disease free green products.

Do not be fooled by the Government and Industries lies.
They are not.
We are Not.
You shouldnt be either ladies and gentleman of Australia.
How say you Dickie?
Do we launch are own TV show?
Will you help us to get the others onboard?
Would you be the spokes person regarding this and we will do everything possible to back you?

PRIME TIME TV SHOW TO TELL IT ALL TO THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC.
We will put in our share. Will Others Help

dickie, from the pacat link you provided:

"Middle Eastern consumers prefer local sheep and goats (e.g. Awassi, Damara breeds) and will increasingly source these animals from North African and other nearby countries if they are not readily available from Australia.
When Australia suspended trade to Saudi Arabia as a result of the Cormo Express Rejection (2003 - 2005), Saudi live animal requirements were sourced primarily from neighboring North African countries"

So why then such a focus on Aussie sheep and little focus on the actual ME slaughter practices. Surely it should be about the welfare of all animals?

Tojo

You selectively failed to report on the following excerpts from the same URL:

"Further, Dr Nigel Brown, Middle East-based LiveCorp/MLA veterinarian confirmed (9/2/04 ABC News) that other countries find it hard to keep up with the 'increasing demand in the region' and are unlikely to be able to provide the volume of disease-free young sheep that has been made available from Australia in recent years.

During the previous ban on live sheep and cattle from Australia to Saudi Arabia (1991 - 2000), there was a 3-fold increase in exports of chilled and frozen mutton and lamb to that market [reported in the Heilbron report, 2000] - This is clear evidence that consumers in the Middle East will accept meat from animals killed in Australia.

If Australia banned the live export of animals it would bring to the fore Australia's valued international disease free meat status - which adds immense potential to further market and extend our current exports of our chilled meat exports to this region.

Importantly, an Australian ban on live export on welfare grounds would provide a powerful ethical precedent that other countries would find difficult to ignore. As Dr Brown stated - it is very unlikely that any other country could fill the void. This would serve to further encouraging the growing importation of chilled meat in the region, rather than live animals."

Oh dearie me, and that report was from a Livecorp/MLA's veterinarian.
Hang your head in shame, Yabby!

Only pathological freaks, torturing defenceless animals in their quest for profit, could feign ignorance of that report.

Do you suffer memory losses, Tojo? Why do you ask the same questions twice?

"If Australia banned the live export of animals it would bring to the fore Australia's valued international disease free meat status - which adds immense potential to further market and extend our current exports of our chilled meat exports to this region."

Ooh thats easily answered Dickie. Given all yours and others theories
and speculations, given the immense claimed potential, we'll sell you the
sheep for 60 bucks, rather then to Fletcher for 15-20 bucks.
You slaughter them where you like and we'll all be happy!

Quite simple really. Put up or shut up.