dickie, you and wendy are so keen to misinterpret whatever I say.

I agreed with Yabby on his point about the transport conditions on a ship compared with trucking them across this country. I think it is a very valid point.

I dont see the ships as the main problem, its what happens at the other end.

I could probably get all sorts of horrible footage of sheep being mistreated in the same manner as they did in the ME. It could be show on the 7.30 report and the whole world would think that all australians treat sheep that way when in fact it will just be the minority.

How biased are the photographers that go over there? Does anyone report on the good guys? No, theres no story in that.

New abattiors are just not going to happen, ships are still going to sail - fix what can be fixed and that is the way people in the ME treat animals. Constant badgering about how cruel it is gets no where. Find a solution that works.

Think what you like about my views on animal welfare - your opinion means nothing to me, i know what I do to make their lives better. Yes, actually doing something, not just talking about it or hurling insults at people that see things a bit differently to the way you and wendy do.

Dickie.

It was a honour listening to you by phone yesterday.

Your strenght your wisdom and courage enspired me.THANK YOU.

Ah, Yes, the Good Christian`s and Church Leaders.

The Anti abortion.

I agree abattoirs "are" cruel places and it doesnt matter how much we try to dress them up.

Who was it that said if all abattoirs had glass windows nobody would eat meat? Was it Yossie? I cant recall.

"However"- after saying that, Australia has better abattoirs than ME or Asia by miles- with plenty of room to improve.

I know you dont agree with me regarding plants.
Its either kill them here- or send them alive.

Lousey choice ah.

So dear dickie with the quick mind and kind heart- the sad thruth is we can only do what we can do.

We must offer an alternative that matches what the farmers and Indusrty are making now.

We will never stop anything from Intensive farming to the cruel live animal trade if we dont compete in the real world.

That is in the Industry Dickie.

We must get involved in the industry if we really will do anything to stop as much cruelty as possible.

Please do not sentence yourself to a life of misery mentally suffering because of what you cant do.

Do what you can do to improve things while you can.

I hope before I die I have at least started to divert live exports by introducing wealth Saudi and other contacts to Aussie grass roots farmers.

Then I can sit back and watch the low life mongrels like Elders AWB, Packers, Murdocks, Le Courts Landmark just to mention a few bleed to death like the blood that runs through their hands along with the BOTH Australian Governments.

Live Exports - An Act Of Gross injustice Carried out under a mockery of legality for the the gain of a few greedy men devoid of morals.

Yabby

I find your comments a little disingenuous.

What do you mean pale would never agree with working with Malaysia?

You know very well it was pale who kicked off the idea of working much more closely through JAKIM and establishing MOUs with Muslim Leaders.

Please see the WA site slaughtering in WA and sending whole carcuss to JAKIM!



from the rural news
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/stories/s1096508.htm

A group of West Australian producers has formed a joint venture with Malaysia, to supply the world with halal meat products.

The Wheatbelt Growers Co-operative from Dowerin has signed an agreement with the Perak State Development Corporation to provide 100,000 sheep and 16,000 cattle each year.

Perak wants to become the world distributor of halal food to Muslim countries, with a potential market of 300 billion people.

Chief Minister Tajol Rosli says that'll provide a valuable alternative for Australia's live export trade.

"As it is now, halal food from Malaysia is recognized throughout the world.

"There are some countries that produce halal food, but it is not recognised, especially by the Middle East.

"If it's marketed as Australian, then the recognition by the Muslim countries would not be as good as if it is marketed from Malaysia."

Read the site again. Also the letter I posted above.

http://www.halakindmeats.com/

However Yabby

I only care about helping the animals and brining pour jobs back.
Pity both ALP and Howards, Nationals are too scared to stand up to the cruel live Export industry because of their rotten donations to political parts and their votes.

All in the name of Good Christians- of Course!

Tell you what Yabby- just to show I am entiley fair I will post what [I would be posting] if I were trying to stop people eating meat>
As you know everything do tell us - When did the last person die of Anthrax in Australia?
Which Industry was that person in?
Where they male or female?
Which State were they in?

Pale, you are not dealing with the question, but I didn't expect
you to. But at some point you have to face reality, or dream
on forever.

You clearly have a high regard for the Malaysians, but not for
the people in the Middle East.

Given that West Australians don't want or need your jobs,
given that small regional works in West Australia don't add up
financially, so will never happen, you have to look at what
is left.

If the Middle East is your major problem, so ok, there is no
good reason that animals can't be slaughtered and value added
in Malaysia. Its only across the pond from here in WA.

If ships are your problem, then the reality remains, they are
far better then long distance trucks, if they are good ships.
Animals actually gain weight on modern ships.

So transporting sheep to Malaysia, to a large, modern, humane
meatworks, makes perfect sense in terms of animal welfare,
availability of labour, possibility of value adding, tapping
into the halal market etc.

But your little mind can't get itself around that, as at heart
you are a veggie too. Thats the reality.

PF Yabby

I will tell you what the Muslim delegates said at a full meeting with well over 40 leaders attending.

That we CAN’T stop cruelty in ME.

Of course Yabby and PF think they know better than the Muslim leaders themselves.

Now why doesn’t that surprise me.

Free advice regarding PF. - Don’t bother. She simply trolls any animal threads looking for the opportunity to attack pale.
It’s not worth the effort.
Note all these experts on ME and Muslims.

Then ask yourself this. Who on this forum has worked with the Muslims?
Now I don’t mind telling you things have gone horribly wrong.

I don’t mind telling you along with the rest of the Australian Public that certain meetings in breech of our MOU were held without our knowledge'

I will also tell that instead of our original arrangements -to build more plants here - slaughter- and send whole carcass to Malaysia.-

A few leaders approached AQIS to slaughter without pre stunning behind our backs.

So we canned the MOU until we find others who can be trusted to work with a MOU.

Somebody one day may even thank us for taking a closer look at Halal and Muslim Leadership In Australia.

hey Dickie
Cant you imagine the drama if this country is ever attacked.

It would be really horrible until I guess you stopped to think some of these lots might be treated the same as the Animals they turned their backs on sending them to such treatment.

I do hope if it has to happen somebody reminds them that they saw nothing wrong with being held down and having their throats slit slowly.
I call it Cow Karma.
Mind you Yabbys as you say the worms wont mind how you left this earth.

"That we CAN’T stop cruelty in ME."

I know thats what you believe Pale, although I don't agree
with you. Never mind, so why not slaughter in Malaysia?
Its not the ME.

Nope, your attempts at constant name dropping don't impress
me, for IMHO you have so far achieved nothing, just talk.

I take people as I find them. So far PF has shown compassion
for animals, but also the ability to think rationally and
realistically. That is badly lacking on this thread and
is certainly lacking in the veggie movement.

Yup, its part of nature's cycle, that herbivores land up
being eaten by other species. Experiments where they wern't,
showed that they soon died of overpopulation and thus
starvation. But out of sight would be out of mind I guess,
certainly for some. You don't see them starving to death,
but they do, not a pretty sight.

The point remains, I've suggested a humane solution that
does not involve the ME. You refuse to think about it,
as you remain a veggie at heart. Ok so nothing will
change... You can only blame yourselves.