Country Girl.

I am glad old Yabbs disclosed your trade.
We didn’t like to considering that information was sent by yourself to us in a private email.

There are two things we simple do not understand about your comments.

One- Why on earth would you be having a shot at dickie that is simply - Speaking out about atrocities to Animals?

Apart from the fact you have already told us you know nothing of the live animal trade- What difference does it make to you which breed they are? –
They are animals aren’t they?
They are alive and suffering isn’t they?

Are you saying its ok for one breed of Animals to be treated like that but not others?

It should not be hard for you to figure out that the Government has stacked the deck.

Dickie

MLA informed us years ago they could not assist us to market chilled meat to Kuwaiti because that was Mark Vailes personal baby.

`done deals` personally arranged” by Mark Vaile Government to Government- Australia to Kuwaiti! Shame!


Rudd ran from the opportunity handed him to raise to the public AWB were live exporters.

I note his silence regarding the fact they announced on Monday the AWB enquiry was unable to proceed to look at charges being laid against tall poppies because- THEY RAN OUT OF FUNDS?

Do not be fooled by promises made by Andrew that he will get ALP to make changes. Some people have been played by these promises for years!
Yup he cares but he’s a poly first.
Bernie and Gavern have no intention of doing anything especially under the direction of Rudd.
We might get a hearing from Simon but he’s pretty controlled now.

The only way is to give the Greens more power in the Senate and work with overseas contacts to reopen plants here in Australia.
It is only by overseas people putting pressure on the government will be forced to make the necessary changes back again.
We have Massive Foreign debt- Our Government ONLY listen to overseas demands- Not the Australian public.

Yabby

You say another WA Meat Industry owner has gone down the gurgler with some sort of sick pride.
You say- no workers available- sorry.

You know very well we are short on workers for many industries but meat works is the `only Industry` not allowed to bring in skilled workers.?
So you’re ` concerned` about Australian families in the regional areas and the meat industry are you?

Then what about the Australian families involved in that plant and the many others.?

What about all the plant owners and their families that have suffered over the years because they have been forced to close their business down?

What about the people they employed who had kids going to school and mortgages.

Please don’t tell me there are none because we have spoken to hundreds!

Then you claim that trucking animals from on destination to another is cruel.

You know full well they are trucked across Australia to meet the demands of the live trade.
You also know I am not just talking about sheep but cattle horse’s goat’s deer and many others. It’s outrageous. Wild goats being trapped first and left standing- then trucked fifteen hundred miles HERE in Australia THEN put on ships is stifling heat THEN the ones that are still alive are thrown kicked bashed whipped dragged without water or shade in fifty degree heat another thousand miles plus!
Yabby Said-
I've always said that farmers behave like a herd of zebras. Meat
processors are far worse, they try to eat each other on the way.
Pale replies.

I don’t see much sympathy for farmers by you in this comment so perhaps the truth is out at last.

You couldn’t care less about the struggling Aussies Yabby.

To Be continued

Continued

Rojo this assist your question- Why do so many Abattoirs close.

Yes meat processors are a tough lot. They were made that way by fighting to keep their doors open. They have been betrayed by the National Party and Government.

The big live exporters started out by re directing the trade running a beast through chains below costs.

They did that “just to put the smaller plant owner out of business”.

Sometimes they ran at a loss for four months or even longer waiting for the smaller abattoir operator to bleed to death.
If it costs the smaller abattoir operator for example $220.00 dollars to process a beast they would run it at $173.00 or $175.00

[ The Government did nothing to stop it]

This was all done working under a much bigger plan to “redirect the stock” to the cruel live animal trade for their trade dollars deals.

Kerry Packer was `particularly good` at that buying up many plants and providing employment for a year or two.

Of course it was smart- or so he thought to ensure his supply first!.- Get the know the farmers.

Get the farmers relying on him to buy their stock. Gain their trust.

Plus he loved the big image of driving into little country towns to be hailed as a hero.

He actually really saw him self as just that. To hell with the millions of suffering animals that he helped create.




They say there is no money in farming. Huh look at the big boys screwing the farmers!

The Murdock’s and the Packers Elders and many other low lives of this world have much to answer for to our maker.

The problem was for the farmers back then that they were in fact real farmers who trusted the wrong people and never asked the pertinent questions.

That’s how it all started. They were farmers not trade deal men and the low lives knew that.


Then they closed the abattoirs down claiming HUGE tax deductions that the places were `supposededly` running at a loss - then trade deals.

Greed Shame Corruption

PF, do you know the survey results will be used? I will happily support if it is used to demonstrate demand for free-range to farmers and/or encourage customers to purchase free-range products. I can't support the petition if it is going to be used to lobby govt to "ban" intensive farming because the only outcome will be extra importation of foreign pork which will still be intensively farmed and undercutting free-range pork. Effectively we will export jobs and fail to value add our feed grains if free-range production is anything other than customer driven demand.

Hey Dickie, (a) I didnt think my post contained any venom, just a dig about sheep breeds (b) I m happy to admit when I am in error. When I clicked down on your links and saw the photo's contained therein, I agree that the sheep are merino's, not cross-breds. Must be a WA thing like you say Yabby. Where I grew up and in all places in NSW that I've lived, merino's arent considered to be worth anything for meat, only good for wool, or starting meat-breed crosses. Merino's themselves are usually only shipped off to the ab's once they are past their productive lives (actually is usually to the saleyards, and on the odd occasion they are bought by the ab's, or often by smaller farmers trying to get good bloodlines). Given that live exports arent that big in New South, that's why I've stayed out of the discussion until now - not really my area. Just jumped in re the merino's comment, because they are what I consider "proper" sheep - not boof-heads like cross-breds! :)

PALEIF, I was simply pointing out that if you dont know the difference between sheep breeds, its a bit rich to comment on an industry that you dont seem to have done much research on. Like I said, I'm happy to take a bow when I get things wrong, and have done so here :). What this does go to show though is the diversity in farming practices in Australia, which is something that city-folk rarely appreciate. The breeds issue is why I usually stay out of discussion involving cattle, as I dont really know that much about them (apart from broad issues). I prefer sheep anyway - not nearly as dumb as most would have you believe :)

Pale, your post is the normal, confusing gobbledygook. Its time that you moved
on with the world. I remind you that Kerry is pushing up daisies, James is
building casinos around the world and Rupert is in NY, taking over the world’s
media. Meantime the Brazilians are slowly moving in and will probably
take over a large share of your cattle processing industry.

Yes, regional works will close, if they are too small and not competitive
in terms of economies of scale. Australia moved to market economics
twenty years ago and its not about to change because of Pale :)

Which WA meat industry owner went down the gurgler? Who lost their
jobs? I don’t think you read the URL properly in the first place.

I remind you that around 2% of farmers shut their doors every year, unable
to keep up with the cost price squeeze. They move on and rebuild their
lives. For workers its easier, they don’t lose a business and lifestyle,
simply find another job. Thousands upon thousands of farmers have shut
their doors, over the last twenty years.

Most live sheep exported from WA, travel 3-5 hours to a port accumulation
facility, where they are vaccinated, checked, accustomed to sheep cubes etc.
Then they go onto a floating feedlot, with food, water, shelter etc, and gain
weight along the way.

I remind you that the distance from Perth to SE Asia is shorter then the
distance from Perth to Sydney! No live sheep are trucked from Perth
to Victoria, to go on a boat, but they are, to go to a meatworks.

My philosophical observation that farmers behave like a herd of zebras,
is exactly that. The same truism applies to share speculators and people
in general. I tend to separate emotion from reason, something which you
seem unable to do, as you wear your heart on your sleeve.

Rojo, thanks for your intelligent and informed contribution.
At least somebody on this thread who has the ability to reason!