Yuyutsu.

«We cannot allow people who claim to want to harm their patients to work in the health system.»
So you prefer those who remain silent and just do their harm covertly?"

Oh, so they're the only choices? People who want to hurt their patients and talk about it and people who want to hurt their patients and keep it secret?

In this fantasy world of yours is there no one who wants to do right by their patients? I'm sure I've met such people. I think they might still exist!!

Rhian wrote: "(I’d add a third – the criminal matter of whether they actually harmed patients)."

If it's shown that they did indeed act on their racism and threats, then everything changes and there wouldn't be enough books to throw at them.

"If the president of The Vegan Society of Australia did the same thing [ie shoot a deer and using its flesh to make venison sausages]".

Now there's an image! But you're right. There are any number of jobs and functions in society that expect and require a certain standard and people who don't meet that standard just have to move on.

mhaze,

<<No no. These people didn't JUST express antisemitic views. They boasted that they had and would in the future use their positions to cause physical harm to Jews. That's very different to just expressing a view.>>

And?

There is no evidence so far these nurses have undertaken any physical activity towards others in the negative, in fact they have no doubt saved many lives over the years, to the benefit of others.

What we face at the moment is a health system potentially crawling with antisemitic doctors, nurses and other medical professionals who may also be anti who knows whatever else.

We have two nurses here, how many more in the medical sector are actually out there in real terms with similar views/positions. We don't know and the alarm bells should be going off, but people like yourself act as if it's all nothing and then try and pass the issue off as a safety issue.

It is also quite clear we haven't audited those in the health system enough or what we are doing at the moment isn't working or these two nurses wouldn't be employed in the first place.

We know with an audit, we'd gets lots of liars not wanting to lose their jobs, so that's an immediate problem, but if it's all about safety we should start a process to make it all work and happen, if we're truly concerned about Jewish and other patients.

Personally, I don't see anything happening in this area. Clearly the police checks aren't good enough either or these nurses wouldn't have made it through the system, but the reality is they've probably never done anything of substance to justify any police action.

As Yuyutsu also points out no one who is actively going to take out negative activity against a patient will state so publicly and these two nurses have done so (stupidly) and to their loss. Others in the system undertake negative activity towards patients at present and are facing nothing due to lack of attention and action.

While we might allow that your average Muslim is not interested in killing Jews, and might abhor the threats of these two nurses as (some of) us do, the courtesy cannot be extended to 50 supposed Muslim leaders, who have teamed up with Hizb ut-Tahrir to sign an open letter defending the pair of would-be Jew killers.

I'm not sure how these 50 characters got to be “leaders”, but I do know that Hizb-Ut-Tahrir is an internationally declared terrorist organisation, but not - surprise surprise - here in Australia.

Small wonder Jews no longer feel safe in Australia. They can't expect any protection from government.

Dear Mhaze,

«Oh, so they're the only choices? People who want to hurt their patients and talk about it and people who want to hurt their patients and keep it secret?»

Well of course there are the people, perhaps 99.99%, who neither talk about nor do hurt others - we were not even talking about them.

«If it's shown that they did indeed act on their racism and threats, then everything changes and there wouldn't be enough books to throw at them.»

That is if they even are actually racist and not just attention-seekers...

Well yes, that is up for police to investigate according to their priorities and limited man-power. There is just not enough, or it would be too costly, to investigate every stupid adolescent bragging of this or the other crime which was not even committed.

«There are any number of jobs and functions in society that expect and require a certain standard and people who don't meet that standard just have to move on.»

When these are public or even partially public-funded jobs, then sure, I just disagree that the state can interfere between private individuals who wish to employ each other.

Here is the story of Awad Darawshe, an Arab-Israeli paramedic who was working at the Nova music festival when Hamas attacked. He refused to leave, and was murdered while treating the wounded.

http://apnews.com/article/israel-arab-paramedic-killed-c16a667db45db2ee62bcd993a24d6ee5

His cousin Mohammad is a director of Givat Haviva Center for Shared Society, which works to reconcile Israel’s Jewish and Arab people. I found his comment challenging:

“This is .... what we expect from everyone in our family — to be human, to stay human and to die human.”

If more of us thought and acted like this, the world might be a better place.

Hi NathanJ,
"I'll try once more replying to individuals and then drop out if people discuss away from the original topic."
- Pretty much all roads lead to Israel these days, and these Palestinian nurses, well it's all in the same ballpark.

<<You act like they're the victims...>>

"Yes, because they are. We've had them face something extraordinary for what were some comments they did not expect to have put out there in the open."

No they are not.
If they are victims of anything, they are victims of their own big mouths and a failure to restrain themselves.
Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are the victims.
These people are Australian citizens, they're not being bombed.
I don't even know if they're even Palestinians or not, they might just be Sunni Muslims, wasn't one from Afghanistan?

In any case, I'm neither surprised or offended if they feel anger and frustration about what's been happening over there. I'm not even a Muslim and I feel anger and frustration about the senseless mass killings some of which are just plain murder and assassinations and can't be seen any other way.

I'm going to stick up for the Jewish people here.
They actually are the victims in this, and you won't find me saying stuff like this too often, but to give credit where it's due...

Imagine you are some poor elderly Jewish person sent in for some routine operation, and these pair are standing before you.
Do you really want to go through with the procedure and take your chances that these 2 nurses comments were only said in the heat of the moment?

Nobody should ever have to feel that way when they're sick and need medical assistance.