“There is no meaning to forgiveness before the failures are investigated, and all officials take responsibility. Our disaster as a nation and as a family should not have happened, and must never happen again.”

“They could have saved you but preferred revenge. We lost.”

- Ofri Bibas, aunt of the murdered Bibas children.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ofri-bibas-levy-they-could-have-saved-you-but-preferred-revenge/

With all the pain in the world, calling for revenge will not bring anyone back to life.

Hi ttbn,

I was only thinking about what happened. To me at least, everything seemed to work very well. The only thing I found odd was Nathan's view that the nurses were just having a bad hair day and should be let off, re-registered and reinstated. Even weirder, Nathan thought that as there must be lots of hateful views that people don't express, there should be a psychological audit of all health workers (about 138,000 workers, excluding the two nurses I am guessing). This view would seem to contradict the Racial Hatred Act. The Human Rights has an explainer of the act that includes these words:

"The beliefs which people hold in private are their own business and the law does not apply to them. However, if those views are brought into the public arena in a way which offends, humiliates or intimidates others, there is recourse under the law."

https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/projects/what-racial-hatred-act

Hi Yuyutsu,
I stated: 'Innocents killed on Oct 7 and afterwards both sides.
That's not the will of God but the will of man.'
You replied: "Retrospectively, since that actually happened, we must conclude that it WAS God's will."

We, or you?

But here's a twist for you
'I'm pretty sure the Muslim nurses don't think God was involved. I think they think the blame lies elsewhere'

What you think or believe isn't necessarily what others think or believe.

How would I feel...
"AUSTRALIANS ARE BENT ON KILLING MINORITIES AND DENYING THEM MEDICAL SERVICES"

What makes you think these 2 people represent ALL Australians?
I certainly don't support what they said and very few others would either, but I can understand their frustration and anger.
[But by your thinking, what they said was God's will too, right? So why be upset?]
If these things are Gods will and there's no free will shouldn't you be angry at God?

"I don't need an idiot youtube boy to remind me that, who venomously smears the majority of Israelis with the venom of the worst among them."
Isn't that what you just smearing Australians in the above comment in CAPS?

Beyond this I think you have to ask whether the nurses words was a cause
(like nothing else happened and they just felt that way for no reason at all)
Or was it a consequence of something they saw the IDF doing?
From what I've seen most Israelis are mostly divided into 2 camps, 'Kill them all or force them out', both of which are war crimes. Gods Will?

My solution for Israel is simple, and it starts and ends with stating ones border.

Jews have been kicked out of 109 countries 1,030 times.
Is that Gods will too?

I apologise if I'm being argumentative.

I still hope all of your family in Israel are safe Yuyutsu.
It's a damn shame the carnage that the people on the other side of the wall and in Israels prisons endure.
Those who aren't dead, maimed, orphaned, and those who have to bury their kids etc...

Dear critic,

Yes, anything that already happened was by God's will.
Or do you think that there was anything which He/She/It was unable to prevent?

«'I'm pretty sure the Muslim nurses don't think God was involved. I think they think the blame lies elsewhere'»

And I believe that they haven't been thinking at all!

That is why the young internet generation likes AI, they are just too lazy to use their own God-given intellect.

«What makes you think these 2 people represent ALL Australians?»

And what makes you think that Netanyahu and his Nazi companions represent all Israelis?

«but I can understand their frustration and anger.»

Diverted away to Jews, possibly from their parents, their Imam or their employer, perhaps over some unrequited love.

Or perhaps they were not even angry - just seeking attention...

«[But by your thinking, what they said was God's will too, right? So why be upset?]»

I am not upset!

«If these things are Gods will and there's no free will shouldn't you be angry at God?»

If at all you choose to be angry, then better be angry at God because He never gets hurt by it.

«Isn't that what you just smearing Australians in the above comment in CAPS?»

The comment in CAPS was only given as an example of unfair and untrue accusations, such as the ones you lay on Israelis.

«Beyond this I think you have to ask whether the nurses words was a cause (...) Or was it a consequence of something they saw the IDF doing?»

Keep it simple, man - they were a consequence of their stupidity.

«Israelis are mostly divided into 2 camps, 'Kill them all or force them out', both of which are war crimes. Gods Will?»

Many Israelis just want to live safely. Whatever that takes.
Now both "camps" add up to about half-the-Israelis.
And both views are short-sighted. Neither would provide safety.
God's will? meanwhile Hamas is re-arming and regaining its ranks in Gaza.

«My solution for Israel is simple, and it starts and ends with stating ones border.»

Thus split Israel's ruling coalition?...

Hi Yuyutsu,

You seem to be engaging in a "them and us" type argument with AC. Defining two typecasts is a good way to start a conflict.

I'm more interested in examining the arguments that Nathan has presented.

Nathan claims mitigation for the nurses hateful public outbursts on the basis of the conflict in Gaza, but is this any different from someone claiming mitigation for bashing a partner? As with initiating physical violence against others, the public expression of hatred is not something you mitigate.

Nathan claims that it is likely that the nurses had no intention to harm or kill patients. That may be true, but making public threats to do as much is unlawful. So while they probably won't be charged with intention to commit murder, it is likely that they won't work as nurses in Australia again.

But the worst argument Nathan presents in that of conducting psychological audits on nearly 140,000 law abiding health care workers in an attempt to determine what their thoughts are. As per my link to the Human Rights Commission, your private thoughts are your own business and no concern of the law. The reason the nurses are in trouble is because of their public expression of hatred.

Dear Fester,

«You seem to be engaging in a "them and us" type argument with AC. Defining two typecasts is a good way to start a conflict.»

Are you sure that your last post was meant for me rather than to someone else who disagrees with AC?

It was my impression that my discussion with AC has moved into theological questions, as the original discussion about those two nurses was practically exhausted long ago.

«I'm more interested in examining the arguments that Nathan has presented.»

OK, so back to the original topic:

«Nathan claims mitigation for the nurses hateful public outbursts on the basis of the conflict in Gaza,»

Well I don't see it that way.
Having seen the clip, I don't even think that on the balance of probabilities those nurses were even hateful or even cared about Gaza.
I think they likely were just bored and were seeking attention.
I think that the reaction to their idiotic clip was taking them far too serious.
As I mentioned earlier, I think that their appropriate punishment for this misdemeanour is a week of being sent straight to bed after supper without ice-cream.

But then there is one more possibility - that they produced the clip in order to appease someone else - a parent, an uncle, a teacher, an Imam, etc.

It is well known that young women in the West Bank and Gaza, who were caught in "inappropriate liaisons" with boys, were required to expiate their "shameful sin" by being made to wear an explosive belt and walk towards Israeli soldiers in check-points - that way they died honourably as "martyrs" rather than tortured in shame for desecrating their family's honour.

Perhaps the alliance between these male and female nurses was looked down upon by their families?
Perhaps that is why they were blackmailed to produce this clip?
In which case, they are not the guilty party.