Rhian,

<<It is quite common for people to be sacked from employment or deregistered from an occupation if their actions or public statements (sometimes, even supposedly private ones) are not compatible with...>>

Well that doesn't make it acceptable, because it is common.

<<Whether someone who has made such statements is fit to remain a...>>

Well those that don't say anything still hold such views and undertake actions that go against the wishes of their employers, we just don't know about them.

As person who is at a basic level two faceted, having strong views on issues and my own life and is a different person in spaces where outside individuals are involved, it is good mentally and physically as I can express a view and still do things I like at the same time with others.

It is not healthy to expect people to bottle up views, keep things to themselves or live alone.

We need people to be vocal, speak out and up. I know someone who did speak out and lost their job. You only need to say something some else doesn't like and you are on the chopping block.

Those though in bigger decision making roles continue to get away with so much, some of them with set three to four year terms in parliament - and they can churn out whatever they want under parliamentary privilege.

As pointed out, if we are truly concerned about patient safety and views, we would audit professions, find out what their views are not employ people as a result, but a challenge would be dealing with people who would lie and not be upfront.

<<How could a Jewish patient trust a nurse who has made such a statement?>>

We need to see people understand that people can be two faceted at a basic level, express views in one area, but undertake other work roles professionally and above board in another sphere.

Nathan,

Some pro-Israel lobby groups in Australia as well as
some posters on this forum mischaracterize criticism
of Israel as antisemitic. This can lead to fear and
demonization of Palestinians and their supporters and
produce adverse reactions.

The belief that the Jewish people are the only people who
have a right to self-determination - is antisemitic.

There's more at:

http://jewishcouncil.com.au/media/we-dont-accept-criticism-of-israel-is-antisemitic#:

NathanJ

People can think whatever they like, and express those views in private (though nowadays, at a much greater risk that they may be exposed). But employing organisations have a right to require employees not to express in public views that would be harmful to those organisations’ operations or reputations, or contrary to their values. In the UK, a school chaplain was dismissed for preaching that homosexuality is a sin. That seems to me entirely reasonable – he can say what he likes from the pulpit, but gay school students should not be offered counselling services by a known homophobe. If you don’t like the rules, find another job.

Paul1405

There are some fairly wacky conspiracy theorists on these forums, but I don’t recall anyone suggesting the nurses were part of a conspiracy. There is evidence, though, of a troubling level of antisemitism in the health profession:

http://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11779495/

Rhian,

<<People can think whatever they like...>>

<<But employing organisations have a right to require...>>

Well then people cannot really think whatever they like or express their own views. The two don't work together and one cancels out the other, not that they need to. It's a cultural change we need to take on, but in a very institutionalised society it's very challenging.

As pointed out by myself expecting people to bottle up viewpoints, feelings and emotions is not a healthy thing for the individual with the employer having an obligation to provide a healthy workplace for all to exist in. This includes the need to express views and release feelings.

Now there are good and bad ways to do such things, but I would argue at many workplaces it is glossed over or not taken seriously. There is also a challenge of dealing with emotions, opinions and feelings and how to express these in a way that does not overtake your daily work routine, but for me it must be part of such a routine.

As this link highlights, maintaining a positive outlook and bottling up feelings is not good. It provides options for people stuck in this situation and is a good source of detail for those looking for answers. From the link:

"Suppressing your emotions, whether it’s anger, sadness, grief or frustration, can lead to physical stress on your body. The effect is the same, even if the core emotion differs, says provisional clinical psychologist Victoria Tarratt. She says the resulting emotional stress can impact your blood pressure, memory and self-esteem."

http://www.hcf.com.au/health-agenda/body-mind/mental-health/downsides-to-always-being-positive

So, the health impacts are serious and we must take them on, including in the health sector.

Until we change the current culture where we expect people to stay silent and bottle up views and feelings it will be to the detriment of people internationally and will see no improvements in our daily lives.

Hi Rhian,
"There are some fairly wacky conspiracy theorists on these forums, but I don’t recall anyone suggesting the nurses were part of a conspiracy. There is evidence, though, of a troubling level of antisemitism in the health profession"

Whose really at fault here.

We're all taught to treat others the way we'd like to be treated.
So if I see the Israelis doing things that the vast majority of people would find morally detestable, then suddenly I'm the one who is at fault for criticising?

How does it work exactly, please explain.

So why is it then when I see Israel blow up a dozen 14 story apartment building full of people in the space of 30 seconds or targeting medical responders and then I say something about it, see kids with gunshot wounds to the head and their brains splattered all across a wall that suddenly I'm the anti-Semite, I'm the bad guy, I'm the guilty one, yet Israel is simply just 'defending itself'.

I didn't drop any bombs on anyone.

What if the Chinese military were dropping bombs on apartment buildings full of Ugyhur men, women and children, because some of these people rose up against their Chinese leadership. I'm sure it would be perfectly fine for Western citizens to unleash their disgust and outrage at the Chinese Communist Party, no holds barred.

Not one person would argue that I'm a racist and anti-Chinese for criticising China if that were the case. Not one.

This whole anti-Semite crap seeks to make the criticiser the bad guy instead of the actual people responsible committing said morally offensive and reprehensible actions.

If these two nurses were in Gaza, Israel would've assassinated them to prevent the Palestinians receiving any care at all, just like they deliberately starved and denied water and medicine, and forced kids to undergo amputations without anesthetic, as well as tortured doctors to death and assassinated any journalist that tried to show the world what Israel was doing.

[Cont.]
I stand by my original position that the 2 nurses have inadvertently put an end to their own careers, but I have to defend their reasons for being so easily angered by a member of the IDF.

I could say more, when I think about all I've seen from Gaza, (some of which is mentioned above) but I don't want to make the same kind of mistake those two nurses did, getting worked up and speaking in anger.
For a caregiver I expect those scenes would affect them more than they would the average person.

I've seen Israelis shoot pregnant Palestinian women in the street and then shoot the people who come to assist, and not just a single video but numerous instances of the same thing.

- THINGS WHICH ARE SO VILE AND REPREHENSIBLE ITS BEYOND WORDS.
And on top of that wearing T-Shirts which display their pride, happiness and humour in committing those same acts.

http://x.com/FalestiniBoss/status/1890191440145445253

I'll finish by once again stating what I did a little while back.
Was that which these nurses said a cause or a consequence of the conflict?

Go to x.com and search 'pregnant palestinian shot'
We may have every right to be angry at these two nurses in Sydney.
- But we should NEVER FORGET what the Israelis have been doing.