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Sacked nurses a step too far in terms of free speech and comment
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Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 2:13:31 PM
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"If this issue (re the nurses) was a public safety one, I'd agree with you, but it is not".
That means, if mhaze thought the same way as he does, Nathan would agree with him. Duh. And, a threat to Jews is "not a public safety one". Cop that Jews: you are not part of the Australian public. The sillier some people are made to look, the sillier they become. Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 2:18:44 PM
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Nathan,
This may be of interest: http://jewishcouncil.com.au/media/reject-racism-against-palestinian-fleeing-persecution-gaza#: " This week Sky News reported it had a list with the personal details of 500 Palestinian people who had obtained visas to flee overwhelming violence in Gaza 81 of whom are in Australia. The Jewish Council of Australia is concerned for the safety of the Palestinian people who have had their identies exposed to Sky News and urges the Australian government to investigate how their private infromation was obtained to prevent the spread of this information. The Council is alarmed that some Jewish organisations have been lobbying for the Australian government to refuse entry to people seeking safety from Gaza and have mobilized anti Palestinian racism and sentiment to do so". Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 3:27:11 PM
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Dear Mhaze,
«We cannot allow people who claim to want to harm their patients to work in the health system.» So you prefer those who remain silent and just do their harm covertly? That pair is just silly immature - those who really want to do harm, will never tell others about it. Yes, they should indeed been sacked, both because they were playing with social-media while they should have been working and because they could not be relied on to perform all their medical duties as required. On the hand, deregistering them was going too far and was too harsh: there are no grounds to prevent them (or anyone else) from nursing others, private people, who are willing to employ them despite their shortcomings, despicable as they are. Well then, I staunchly oppose to begin with this requirement by states for anyone to be registered in order to be able to work for another who is willing to take them on as they are. Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 3:28:30 PM
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Hi NathanJ
You say it “ is a question to if these two nurses would actually go through with what they actually said in real terms.” I disagree. I think the nurses were probably lying when they claimed to have murdered Israelis, and it is unlikely that they would carry out their threat to commit murder in future. The current police and departmental investigations will, I hope, establish whether this is so. But the question is not whether it is true, but whether someone who has made such statements is fit to remain a medical professional and employee of the NSW health service. I think emphatically not – how could a Jewish patient trust a nurse who has made such a statement? Mhaze has made the important point that there are two dimensions to this – the disciplinary/professional matter of continuing employment as nurses, and the issue of whether such hate speech should be illegal (I’d add a third – the criminal matter of whether they actually harmed patients). It is quite common for people to be sacked from employment or deregistered from an occupation if their actions or public statements (sometimes, even supposedly private ones) are not compatible with the values, policies, codes of conduct etc of their employers or profession. How far this is justified depends on the nature of the organisation, their level of seniority and responsibility and the seriousness and consequences of their actions. Mhaze’s example of the Uber driver is a good one. But it’s not just about safety. If the president of the Shooters and Fishers Party posted online a video of himself shooting a deer and using its flesh to make venison sausages, no-one would bat an eyelid. If the president of The Vegan Society of Australia did the same thing, I’d expect them to lose their job. Posted by Rhian, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 3:41:35 PM
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Nathan,
This may also be of interest: http://jewishcouncil.com.au/media/jewish-council-launches-expert-voice-antisemitism-racism-in-australia Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 3:42:33 PM
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No no. These people didn't JUST express antisemitic views. They boasted that they had and would in the future use their positions to cause physical harm to Jews. That's very different to just expressing a view.