The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > General Discussion > What if the Law Overules Science ? What are the Implications ?

What if the Law Overules Science ? What are the Implications ?

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 15
  7. 16
  8. 17
  9. Page 18
  10. 19
  11. 20
  12. 21
  13. 22
  14. 23
  15. All
Dear Foxy,

«Our identities are made up of many parts.»

Things like our culture, sexuality, religion,
age, our body, gender, and lots more.
Our identities are personal, no one can tell us
how to identify.
We are who we are.»

We HAVE culture(s).
We HAVE sexuality(s).
We HAVE religion(s).
We HAVE an age.
We HAVE a body.
We HAVE a gender (some of us).
We HAVE a mind.
We HAVE sense(s).
We HAVE feeling(s).
We HAVE a family.
We HAVE home(s).
We HAVE car(s).
We HAVE furniture.
We HAVE clothes.
We HAVE books.
We HAVE electronic gadgets.
We HAVE lots more.

None of these identify us, the ones who have the above, they are just some of the things we happen to have, not us!

Yes of course, we are who we are - but that is none of the above.

Yes, nobody can tell us how to identify - we are allowed to make any kind of error, we may for example identify ourselves as the Queen of the night, or as the fifth shoe of an alien king from the galaxy of Nimrod, but those who seriously do are considered schizophrenic and are normally locked up in a mental hospital.

[continued...]
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 12:12:24 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
[...continued]

«Regarding gender identity?»

Just drop the word "identity", then your words will make perfect sense, so please allow me to rephrase:

<<Gender is your sense of whether
you play the social role of a man, woman, nonbinary, gender fluid,
or a combination of one or more of these.
It's part of your sense of how you fit in society. It's how you
understand your place in society and how you inter act with others.

For many people their understanding of their social role, their
gender will match their sex. This is called
cisgender (pronounced - sis-gender). For some people, this
gender might not match the sex they were assigned at
birth and those individuals might choose to consider their role as
transgender. For example being assigned the role of a female at birth but operating as a man.

It's important to remember that there is more to gender than just
being "male" or "female." Some people understand their gender as
being a combination of both, male or female, or neither. These
people might choose a diverse or non-binary gender. There are many words people choose to describe their gender.

The words people choose to describe their gender are
very personal. Other ways of expressing gender refers
to the way people publicly express their gender and may include
how they behave, their appearance, what they choose to wear.."

"Gender like sexuality is fluid. It can change with
time. This is completely normal. You don't have to label your
gender. However if you choose to label your sexuality
or gender it's your choice. It's what feels best for you. And
when you're ready - embrace and celebrate it.>>
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 12:12:27 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Yuyutsu,

I told you earlier - I have no wish to argue with you.

You can object to the use of the word "identity," all you
want. The fact remains that Gender identity is the gender
with which a person identifies.

I've given links to the Hudson Institute of Medical Research
studies and to Prof. Vincent Harley and his projects on the
subject. I've also clarified that there is a difference
between "sex" and "gender." Sex being biological while
gender is psychological. That a person's gender can be
different from a person's sex. That any individual is free
to identify their gender as they see fit. That gender identity
is internal and a person's gender identity is not necessarily
visible to others.

People are not fixed beings, with fixed natures.

If we want to understand people, we must look at them as
individuals.

Whether you like or do not like the term "gender identity<"
is irrelevant. You're welcome not to use it.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 1:26:15 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Dear foxy,

I have no issue with the difference between sex and gender which you mentioned, nor with the unfixed nature of people or their individuality which you mentioned as well.

However, identifying with something you are not, is madness.

You may like flowers very much, but identifying with a flower does not make you a flower!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 1:59:58 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Yuyutsu,

Madness to you. Belief to someone else.

Gender identity is the person's personal sense of their
own identity. It can correlate with a person's assigned sex
or can differ from it.

In most of us the various biological
determinants of sex are in agreement (harmony) and are
consistent with our gender identity. For others that's
not the case. However -

I'm in no position to judge how and why others identify.
The same as I don't make judgements about the religious
beliefs of others (as long as they don't hurt anyone) .

May I politely suggest you do the same. If you believe that
God made Adam and Eve, then you must also recognize that
he also made Adam and Steve, and a whole batch of other
variants.

Cheers.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 2:29:56 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Dear Foxy,

Firstly, I have no problem with the idea that God also made Adam and Steve and the batch of other variants - in fact, I believe that in our overpopulated planet we presently need more of those!

Now to the subject-matter:

What would you make of someone who identifies as a horse, believing that they are that horse?

Suppose they tell me:
- "Don't you believe me? I bought this horse for $5,000 and if you doubt it then I can even show you the receipt".

To which I respond:
"You don't need to show me the receipt, I believe you that the horse is yours, I believe you that you bought it for $5,000 - the horse is yours, but it is not you!"

Yes, you may have this or that gender and yes, it might be complex and it might be different than your sex, yet this gender is yours, it is not you!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 3:05:54 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 15
  7. 16
  8. 17
  9. Page 18
  10. 19
  11. 20
  12. 21
  13. 22
  14. 23
  15. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy