Thanks Fester

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giktOwxfK-M is very compelling .

Mavs

"So the 700,000 of Palestinian Arabs expelled by Israelis in the 1948 Palestine War have never been permitted to settle permanently in large groups in even large Arab countries. The 700,000 Palestinians are now millions with natural population increase."

It seems like you're trying to frame the cause of the conflict as being that other Arab states would not take the Palestinians in.

The cause of the conflict is not that Arab nations wouldn't take the Palestinians in, but that the Israelis wanted the Palestinians out.

The question of why surrounding Muslim countries won't take in their fellow Muslims while the West, Australia in particular, bends over backwards to have them definitely needs answering.

Some of us know the answer, but too many people here don't want to hear it because it doesn't fit their ideology. So, who would bother trying to tell them? Not me.

Dear Critic,

Whatever happened 76 years ago, while we could keep analysing it ad nauseam as an intellectual pursuit, is irrelevant today.

The people involved in any decisions in 1948 have already died, and even Zionism is now a thing of the past, so why is this still an issue today?

The moneys spent on those Middle-Eastern wars is orders of magnitude bigger than what it would take to resettle these refugees, anywhere, even in Australia - suppose the refugees were offered a trillion dollars to forget their past and come to live here (Australia being just an example) and Australia was offered another trillion dollars for accepting them (covering all our present debt) - do you think anyone would refuse such a good offer?

So where is the need to keep warring?

I identify 3 motives:

1) The Arab countries, plus Iran, need to divert their people's attention and rage away from their authoritarian regimes and Islamic oppression, and find Israel the ideal sink for it.
(that is gradually on the decrease as more Arab countries are liberalised)

2) The Messianic Jews need to keep wars happening so they can keep the ordinary Israelis hostage, with the ultimate aim to turn Israel into a theocracy.

3) The bored Western world, where expressions of violence are socially unacceptable in everyday life, covertly enjoys the Middle-Eastern wars where they can see blood on TV, vent their anger by supporting one Middle-Eastern team or the other and derive much entertainment from it as a form of porn, distracting them from their otherwise dreary and empty lives.

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Dear Ttbn,

«Some of us know the answer, but too many people here don't want to hear it because it doesn't fit their ideology. So, who would bother trying to tell them? Not me.»

Glad to be of service.

I am so sick and tired of reading that support of Palestine
is leftwing. That support of Israel is rightwing. That criticism
of Israel is anti-semitic. That empathy for Palestine is
Jew hatred. And the list goes on. I am Sick of
reading about those who are using this conflict for their
own means, keeping this situation volatile and advocating for
their side trying to make a case for extremism against those
they see as their mortal enemies.

Both sides are guilty of this believing that their suffering
gives them a pass to encourage further suffering in others so
long as their side is not being hurt. They see it as being
justified.

Where is all this going to end? What's happened to tolerance?
Tolerance must be universal, because hatred is universal.
Anything less than the protection of both peoples ensures the
destruction of both. The United States as a super power has
the influence that it can bring to bear to force Israel to
come to the table for peace and reconciliation. And this
the US needs to do.

The solution surely has to be - to keep talking about peace and
reconciliation and to stamp out toxic ideas and prevent them
from taking root.

Hi Foxy

The Middle East is the last place for World Peace.

World Peace largely being an impossible dream.

The only place that it has occurred is in Western and Central Europe under the European Union which rose from WWII into an oasis of peace from around 1948.

To create these conditions initially required large amounts of gifted US Marshall Plan money and united European social and political maturity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union#Initial_years_and_the_Paris_Treaty_(1948%E2%80%8D%E2%80%93%E2%80%8D1957)

Middle Eastern Arabs and Iran will probably take 100s of years to get to a true Arab-Persian Union like the European Union.

One reason being Sunni and Shiite infighting continues to cause many more deaths and disunity than the Israeli-Palestinian fighting.

But the UN, journalists and their "serious" readership don't find Arab inter-murder a trendy topic. This is because it is easier to blame ourselves, the Europeans, more broadly Whites including Israel, in any international conflict.

Mavs