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AI tool permit Israel to kill civilians

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Mav

"Even the Russians aren't working with Israeli AI software that justifies killing "15 or 20 civilians during airstrikes [per] low-ranking militant."

I would doubt that the Russians have ever given consideration to how many people they kill and under what circumstances, including their own troops. The meat wave attacks, the Bucha massacre, targeting civilians at the Mariupol theatre, the missile attack of a crowded railway station at Kramatorsk are examples. All denied by the Russians, with them often blaming the Ukrainians for the murders so as to generate sympathy. And they did the same in Syria (minus the meat waves).

But everyone knows about this already, so there is no point in making any further mention of it, although an exception can always be made for mentioning the My Lai massacre in discussing current practice of the US military.

Yep, lets discuss instead a fake propaganda piece as "proof" of how the IDF fights Hamas. Maybe another illegal protest can be held at the opera house to protest the injustice, replete with "gas the Jews" and "F the Jews" chants, all monitored by the police in case someone shows up with an Israeli flag? Then the NSW police can do a "fact check" investigation and announce that there was no breach of any hate laws as the protesters were chanting "Clean your shoes!" as determined by an exhaustive forensic analysis by auditory experts.
Posted by Fester, Friday, 5 April 2024 7:40:21 AM
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Thanks Armchair Critic

You've found further evidence where the IDF admits its reliance on AI (ie. a large software program and network, which of course has Israeli servicemen in the network) including:

In December 2023 ‘The Gospel’: how Israel uses AI to select bombing targets in Gaza
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how-israel-uses-ai-to-select-bombing-targets

and not only the Guardian but a long report from Washington DC based NPR in December 2023 "Israel is using an AI system to find targets in Gaza. Experts say it's just the start"
http://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1218643254/israel-is-using-an-ai-system-to-find-targets-in-gaza-experts-say-its-just-the-st

With the NPR reporting:

"The Israeli military says it's using artificial intelligence to select many of these targets in real-time. The military claims that the AI system, named "the Gospel," has helped it to rapidly identify enemy combatants and equipment, while reducing civilian casualties.

But critics warn the system is unproven at best — and at worst, providing a technological justification for the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians...."
Posted by Maverick, Friday, 5 April 2024 8:13:22 AM
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US NSA contacts advise the main difference between the two Israeli AI systems is in the definition of the target:

- "Gospel" marks buildings and structures that the IDF claims militants operate from

- while "Lavender" marks people — and puts them on a kill list.
Posted by Maverick, Friday, 5 April 2024 8:46:37 AM
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Hi Mavs,

All this is really frightening stuff.

I fear for the future and what it could entail in
terms of conflicts. Too much sci-fi for me to
comprehend.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 April 2024 9:11:43 AM
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Mav,

First you misrepresent a fake propaganda piece: You suggest Israel is using AI to kill civilians when the purpose of the AI, were it to exist, is to limit harm to civilians. Then you respond to mention of Russian atrocities (which are only fake according to AC and Russian agents) by suggesting that the Russians have higher humanitarian standards as they don't use the imaginary software. Now you are suggesting that the AI tale is true because other agencies have reported the story.

Remember the Gaza hospital bombing, initially claimed to be an Israeli air strike that killed 500? Remember Albo, PenPen et al jumping in to condemn Israeli aggression? Remember how it turned out to be a failed Hamas rocket fired at Israel from a position using the hospital as cover? Remember how Albo and PenPen then only made mention of the human tragedy and made no comment on Hamas using human shields? Remember how quickly the story was forgotten when the Jew kicking opportunity vanished?
Posted by Fester, Friday, 5 April 2024 11:17:57 AM
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Fester,

No. the Israeli claims were not able to be confirmed.
The evidence of what the Israelis were claiming was
not found to be true.

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It should be noted that the Israelis are using all sorts of
techniques to justify their actions. For example -
the weaponization of Holocaust
memory by Israeli politicians runs deep. Netanyahu has taken this
to a new level. The use of the Holocaust is not to stand with
powerless people facing the prospect of genocidal violence,
but to support and justify extremely violent attacks by a powerful
state,
and at the same time distort the reality.

The reality, we see in front of our eyes daily on television.
The history of the Holocaust also points to the importance
of accountability. Today accountability remains limited. Yet
Israeli war crimes and violations of international
humanitarian laws are beyond dispute.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 April 2024 11:31:16 AM
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