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Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 4 April 2024 7:42:39 PM
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Fester
The issue is "proportionality" ie. the more powerful army justifying how many civilians can be killed per low level Hamas militant/terrorist. Even the Russians aren't working with Israeli AI software that justifies killing "15 or 20 civilians during airstrikes [per] low-ranking militant." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes For the 1,300 Israelis murdered on 7th October around 20,000 Gaza civilians have been murdered. Around 10,000 Hamas terrorists (who expected to die) have been killed. Israeli forces haven't even got to Rafah yet where Gaza civilians are crowded against an Israel/Egyptian built walls. They've run out of space to flee. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_offensive US intelligence is estimating another 20,000 Gaza civilians will be killed by the IDF in and around Rafah - making a total of 40,000 Gaza civilians being murdered in the Hamas-Israel War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_offensive I suppose we whites in the West (be it Israel or Australia) are accustomed to the idea of 30 Browns being killed per White. Unfortunately Hamas, like ISIS, is an idea, not a finite force, that won't be finally crushed by the IDF's killing spree (involving too many civilians murdered) that even the US is condemning. Posted by Maverick, Thursday, 4 April 2024 8:06:49 PM
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Hi Graham,
"I have allowed this post, but it appears to be propaganda, and the Guardian subsequently published a response from the Israeli Defence Force repudiating the claims that they target using AI." - I'm not certain this is correct. ‘The Gospel’: how Israel uses AI to select bombing targets in Gaza http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how-israel-uses-ai-to-select-bombing-targets Israel is using an AI system to find targets in Gaza. Experts say it's just the start http://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1218643254/israel-is-using-an-ai-system-to-find-targets-in-gaza-experts-say-its-just-the-st Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 4 April 2024 8:20:30 PM
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Regardless of what happened or did not happen in Gaza, AI should be banned and overall the power given to computers should be curtailed.
What people are doing using computers is scary already and soon, if this is allowed to continue, there will not even be people behind those computers, in fact all humans will then be dispensed with. Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 4 April 2024 9:51:25 PM
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Why is it that anything criticizing Israel is
propaganda. And what Israel puts out about Hamas and Gaza is not? Also if the sources supplying information to the Guardian are linked to the IDF and other Israeli sources - and we should question them, Does that mean that Israeli sources can't be trusted? Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 April 2024 10:08:23 PM
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AC
“...officials said Israel had fought its “first AI war” using machine learning and advanced computing.” What officials? Where's the evidence that there were any officials who said anything? How about the website - in Hebrew. You read Hebrew do you? Then there's the assertion that Israel is using AI. So what? Junk citations or references are those that are “wrong, irrelevant, misleading, corrupt, uninformative, useless, or purely rhetorical.” Have your references been checked? Have you verified them? There is no sense in using references if they just say what you want them to say. Have you ever looked at references which say things you don't agree. As I've said before, crap references are usually found to be rubbish by people who actually read them. People who use them thinks it makes them look knowledgeable. That’s all. Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 4 April 2024 10:11:02 PM
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References, particularly those involving the MSM, are generally useless because they are mere reports, lacking proof or descriptions of how and why conclusions were reached. It's easy to find something you want to hear: harder to find the truth.