There is a fair bit of ignorance being posted here. There is disagreement as usual. Normal stuff. We all have our own beliefs and biases.

But, the hatred, anti-Semitism, anti-Israel filth coming from Armchair Critic is beyond the pale. Most of it lies. Unforgivable. Sick. Insane.

People are people, but when you adopt the "You people" philosophy, it allows you to make wonderful generalisations on an invalid basis, generalisations like "Jews always play the victim". The young fellow excitedly informing his proud parents of the ten Jews he'd just murdered was an adherent of the philosophy, as was Goebbels with his production of timeless classics like "The Eternal Jew".

Margaret Thatcher used to shut down "You people" hatred by asking "Can you name them?". "Tarred with the same brush." is another expression for it. Jew hatred would be impossible were it not for the "You people" philosophy.

Fester

Quite right. But nothing will turn an anti-Semite. Hatred of Jews has been ingrained over millennia. The modern hatred, never far below the surface, rears up everytime Israel has to defend itself from Islam. Jews are not expected to defend themselves like everyone else. It is always their fault that they are attacked.

Nazis killed 6 million Jews. Now Islam wants to kill approximately 7 million of them in Israel; but - somehow, according to the haters - it's the Jews’ own fault.

Lunatics yap about Israeli “genocide”. It is Islam that is intent on genocide. They are just not good enough at it yet, but they will keep trying, and the usual suspects like Albanese and Wong - in our case - will try to help them by calling on Israel to cease fire.

Charter boat,
"The tunnels and command centres under schools, hospitals etc put paid to any doubt on the issue."

Oh not more lies again, all you have to do is open your mouth and the bullcrap just falls out...

Still waiting for the footage of these command centres...
You know why there's no footage?
It's simple, it's bs.

You know how Israel KNEW there were tunnels under Al Shifa?
- Because it built them in 1983, but Hamas blocked them up.

No command centre under the hospital, and this is important... why?
Because it shows one of 2 things, either Israeli intelligence is extremely unreliable, or they are making the claims up to justify what they are doing when they go in. Just like the rapings, baby beheadings and all the other fake / staged things which were made up.

In any case it doesn't change the war crimes / deliberate targeting of civilians and journalists.

Hi Yuyutsu,

"Could we not agree that Israel HAS to do roughly what it does now in order to survive?"

'in order to survive' Mmmm...
- Tell me do Hamas have F-35s and smart bombs they're launching on apartment buildings in Tel Aviv?
Are we talking about Israels's survival or Netanyahu's?
Does Israel REALLY need to murder and starve so many innocent people 'in order to survive'?
"Could we not agree that Israel HAD to do roughly what it did in 1948 in order to survive?"
Well, if you always do as you've always done, then you'll always get what you'll always got, right?

Israel / Jews seem to have this iron-fisted 'never-again' attitude, where they meter out extreme disproportionate revenge attacks upon any Palestinian who dares to resist amongst an entire group of people that Israel routinely subjugates and oppresses.

You know what I think?
This iron-fisted 'never-again' attitude
the routine subjugation, oppression, imprisonments without charge, the tortures, burning their crops, poisoning their wells, the executions by the IDF and settlers, invading peoples homes at 2am, bulldozing their homes, cutting off their food and water, harvesting the organs of the dead, killing journalists, killing women and kids, dropping bombs on hospitals and ambulances, targeting residential apartment buildings, IDF shooting women in churches... all of it...

I think Israel is doing it's utmost best to make 'never-again' inevitable.
ABSOLUTELY, UNDOUBTEDLY, WITHOUT QUESTION - INEVITABLE.

So maybe you should try and find a Plan B and consider something else.
For me, I think the Netanyahu government has to go for starters and the IDF need to suffer some kind of serious military defeat before the country will ever change.

[Cont.]
Go ahead and do what you did in 1948 again and see where that leads.
1948 might just lead to 1967, which will then lead to 1973... and before you know it we'll have done the same thing all over again.
Should we really try to do the same thing again and expect a different outcome?
Can we not maybe try and do something different?
Maybe get a different (and hopefully better) outcome this time?

What would it take to get a different outcome than this one?
Something other than the 'endless bloodshed of innocents' thing.
Do we really have to keep doing this same thing over and over?

If Hezbollah start launching thousands of missiles all across Israel, what would you expect my response to be then?
'Maybe Israel shouldn't have killed all those Palestinian women and kids so vengefully then?
'Israel made its bed, now it can sleep in it'?
'Play stupid games, win stupid prizes'?

I support diplomacy, negotiations and compromise over conflict.
Try to find another way that doesn't involve so many dead innocent people.
That would please me.