Dear Indyvidual,

«Someone unbiased please enlighten us on this !»

The reason Muslims frantically opposed, first Zionism then its product, Israel, is because it brought progress to the region which threatened to loosen clerical control and emancipate their women.

When the Zionists first arrived, parts of Israel were desert, other parts were swamps and other parts settled. Most of Israel was then part of Syria under Ottoman control. The only "identity" the local Arabs had was of their tribe or extended family.
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Dear Bezza,

«I have seen suggestions that the Jews were a religious group within
the Canaanites.»

And I have seen suggestions that the Jews started being a religious group only around 800 A.D. Judaism as we know it now was established by Maimonides (1138-1204).

Yes, there was priesthood before, and lots of intrigue within the priestly class, of which much of the Old Testament is a product, and there were also national protocols (such as circumcision), but ordinary Judeans were not involved in organised religious practices.

Yuyutsu, didn't Nebuchadnezzar forcibly take many Jews to Baghdad for
the purpose of taking advantage of their advanced knowledge ?
They were there for a considerable time then allowed to return to Jerusalem.

Dear Bezza,

The Jews were exiled by Nebuchadnezzar 1348 years before Baghdad was first built. That was the final wave of exile - the metal-smiths were exiled earlier so that the Jews cannot make weapons.
There is no indication that Jews had particularly advanced knowledge at the time
and as far as we know, the reason for their exile was their revolt against Babylon.

The Jews were only allowed to return by the Persians once they conquered and took over Babylon, but only a minority of them actually returned.

Notably not everyone was exiled, only the upper classes, some 4,600-10,000 of them: the poor peasants were allowed to stay behind.

When you look at the history of Pogroms in Russia, in Europe generally
and by moslems and realise how many Jews have been murdered in their
100s of thousands it is not difficult to see why Israel is taking a
hard line. Wouldn't you ?
Now these days they are not living as a minority in a country where
there are people who hate them for no cogent reasons.
Now they are not a minority they are not going to accept pogroms
ever again.
Can you blame them ?

It all raises the question; Why is the Jew hated ?
When asked of the haters there is no sensible answer or a multitude
of different excuses.
Basically from what I can see is because they are successful in life !

So because they were banned from the various skilled occupations they
went into money lending and banking. So who likes the Banks ?
It was felt that the Jews were intellectually more capable than the
rest of the population and therefore more successful and so it boiled
down to jealousy as the cause of the hatred.
Even these days they demonstrate their scientific ability.

The Koran calls for the death of the Jews because they reject Allah.
So in the middle east there can be no peace, the Moslems are committed
by the Koran to fight the Jews till the Last Day and the Jews want to
live in their historical homeland.

There is no way around this unless Islam is modified but that is
forbidden on pain of death.
If Iran obtains a nuclear weapon they will use it on Israel unless
Israel gets in first with their nuclear weapon.

That is the ultimate standoff that we are facing.

I don't care what excuses you want to make for them Bezza.
I don't care if your trying to make sense of things and understand where they are coming from.
When they do this crap, they aren't deserving of any 'understanding'

http://twitter.com/MohsinA51300440/status/1738538728476356783
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1738007839199879660
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1738073436793278899
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1738073944077516961
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1737656873413959724
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1737265939673219414
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1737068993209610376
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1736984217345732859
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1736866322397741272
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1736864621913674214
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1735625592014586178
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1735409633039368542
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1735285652475044305

I would've finished with the picture of the 9 year old girl with the sniper rifle shot to the head, half her head gone and blood spurts across the wall as whats left of her head slumps down onto the footpath, but it's been deleted.

These Israelis make the German Nazis look like schoolkids.
Israel is irredeemable, as far as I'm concerned they don't have any further right to exist after this current installment of carnage.

Being forced into a gas chamber is by far more humane than the footage I've seen.

Maybe I should take this Israeli womans attitude, towards the IDF.
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1737575080362959049

I think that Jews and Israelis, who are forever victims of the world, have as a result become the worst kind of tyrants imaginable.
They say 'never again' and act this way
But by acting this way they've made 'again' inevitable.

OK Armchair, I can see you really are steamed up about Gaza,
It all does not matter when there is no alternative.
Islam teaches right from its start that Jews are terrible people who MUST be killed.
However they have also made it clear that all Infidels must either
become moslems or pay the Jizaz tax or die.
Islam cannot tolerate any other religion.
They have a particular historical hate for Jews.
For the Jews there is no alternative, kill or be killed.