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The Forum > General Discussion > For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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Dear Foxy,

What to do, I am optimistic, I believe that it can only get better.

Most realistically, once the war is over there will be some international force or another in control of Gaza.

An independent Arab state in the West Bank could eventually take over Gaza as well, with a tunnel connecting the two.

The most difficult challenge is how to remove the Jewish settlers: Israel could not do it by itself lest it faces a deadly civil war, so it will require much international help. Israel will then need to overtly go kicking and screaming in opposition to that international interference while overtly feeling a relief to be rid of those pests.

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Israel just announced that yet another hostage, 21 years old Yonatan Smarano, who was kidnapped from the rave party, was murdered in captivity.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 4 December 2023 4:16:05 PM
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"Of course there's no chance Hamas will end the war by this means."

Why would they, and if you were born in Palestine, you probably wouldn't either.

"I was just using the option to demonstrate that people like you and Foxy while constantly talking about stopping the deaths, are more concerned about using the deaths as a way to try to achieve victory for the side you favour. Thanks for confirming it."

Ahhh. I see.
Captain Peabrain has stuck his head up again.

It's funny how you can remember something I said a year ago and go on and on and on and on about it.
But you forget the one thing I say over and over and over again every single week.
Typical.

I support diplomacy, discussion, dialogue, negotiations and compromise over conflict.
And truth be told this conflict won't ever be over until the US Congress is no longer owned by the Israel lobby.

"You keep mis-describing the Israelis as occupiers and using that as an excuse to seek their defeat."

You keep living in your own private Idaho and have removed yourself entirely from what started this conflict, or else you conveniently ignore it completely to cling on to your shiddy lapdog bias and related narrative.

Here I'll remind you again....
(and again and again and again if that's what it takes.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

>>The foundational events of the Nakba took place during and shortly after the 1948 Palestine war, including 78% of Mandatory Palestine being declared as Israel, the expulsion and flight of 700,000 Palestinians, the related depopulation and destruction of over 500 Palestinian villages by Zionist militias and later the Israeli army and subsequent geographical erasure, the denial of the Palestinian right of return, the creation of permanent Palestinian refugees, and the "shattering of Palestinian society".<<

Facts... who gives a crap about facts, right?
What do facts matter when you can just make it all up as you go?

How about I 'declare' your house is mine now.
I'm sure you wouldn't have any issue with that, would you?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 4 December 2023 4:26:47 PM
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It is indeed important to remember the names of those who have lost their lives in this conflict.

These are the Gaza babies who were murdered in Gaza between Oct 7th and the 25th. Full name, sex and age.

Rayan Abdullah Zakaria Al-Astal male 0
Mian Yahya Youssef Al-Astal female 0
Salam Wael Ahmed Al-Astal male 0
Zein al-Din Suleiman Moin al-Najjar male 0
Yasmine Ramez Abdul Razzaq El Masry female 0
Maria Yasser Kamal Al-Masry female 0
Aisha Jihad Jalal Shaheen female 0
Rahima Saadi Mohammed Shaheen male 0
Mohammed Mamdouh Mohammed Abu Jazar male 0
Tia Mamdouh Mohammed Abu Jazar female 0
Bahaa Mustafa Jamal Musa male 0
Rakan Hossam Hussein Musa male 0
Musk Mahmoud Ibrahim Hegazy female 0
Ahmed Mohammed Amin Nofal male 0
Son of Nabeela Nasr Mohammed Nofel male 0
Moaz Hani Mohammed Al-Aidi male 0
Qais Ali Nabil Al-Aidi male 0
Nabil Bilal Nabil Al-Aidi male 0
Alma Moamen Mohammed Hamdan female 0
Misk Mohammed Khalil Gouda female 0
Bilal Mohammed Kamal Hamdan male 0
Abdul Rahim Ahmed Abdul Rahim Awad male 0
Tahany Ezz El-Din Ahmed Zoroub female 0
Mohammed Nidal Hisham Atallah male 0
Mustafa Hani Essam Saqallah male 0
Abdul Raouf Ibrahim Abdul Raouf Al-Farra male 0
Mohammed Omar Mustafa Shehab male 0
Sarah Fathi Abdul Karim Al-Farra female 0
Bilal Khaled Mohammed Sobh male 0
Obaida Bilal Youssef Abu Muailiq male 0
Louay Mahmoud Saleh Al-Ajrami male 0
Iyad Abdul Rahman Jihad Muheisen male 0
Anisa Mahmoud Ahmed Ali female 0
Hamza Mohammed Abdul Hamid Ashour male 0
Salma Ibrahim Bassem Shaaban female 0
Mohammed Hussein Mohammed Abu Hamad male 0
Aseed Hussein Mohammed Abu Hamad female 0
Ahmed Moamen Ahmed Daloul male 0
Mohammed Fadi Jihad Radwan male 0
Aseel Mohammed Jumah Dhair female 0
Mohammed Nour al-Din Yahya al-Akkad male 0
Mohammed Hamed Nidal Aliwa male 0
Eliana Mohammed Nabil Mekheimer female 0
Abdul Rahman Samir Salama Saad male 0
Omar Jihad Omar Al-Bahtini male 0
Watin Yahya Khaled Abu Hilal female 0
Malak Abdul Salam Ali Abu Saif female 0

Cont..
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 4 December 2023 4:37:28 PM
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Hoda Mustafa Hatem Abu Seif female 0
Misk Abdul Hay Sami Al-Halabi female 0
Omar Ahmed Abdul Nasser Shamlakh male 0
Ibrahim Ammar Saad Al-Qara male 0
Osama Mohammed Adeeb Aslim male 0
Ahmed Shadi Talal Al-Haddad male 0
Hoor Yassin Ahmed Sheikh Al-Eid female 0
Ghazal Mahmoud Saeed Al-Haddad female 0
Shaima Saeed Nabil Al-Laham female 0
Moaz Mohammed Jawad Al-Wadiya male 0
Tayim Samer Suleiman Jaarour male 0
Ayla Uday Abdul Jawad Abu Ras female 0
Amal Mohammed Ahmed Al-Bayouk female 0
Layan Mohammed Youssef Hussein female 0
Ghazal Asaad Maher Abu Lashin female 0
Sham Mohammed Saleh Al-Sawalha female 0
Mohammed Basil Mahmoud Al-Khayyat male 0
Adam Magdy Jaber Al-Dahdouh male 0
Adam Mohammed Samir Abu Ajwa male 0
Jalal Moin Al-Harkali Masa female 0
Khaled Fadi Khaled Al Baba male 0
Maha Fadi Khaled Al Baba female 0
Ayat Abdul Aziz Omar Farwaneh female 0
Firas Mohammed Abdul Aziz Tamraz male 0
Essam Mohammed Essam Farag male 0
Moatasem Billah Moaz Hammad Hammad male 0
Khaled Bilal Mohammed Abu Al-Amrain male 0
Sarah Abdul Rahman Mohammed Hammad female 0
Mahmoud Fadi Khaled Al-Baba male 0
Abdul Khaleq Fadi Khaled Al Baba male 0
Raed Ihab Raed Salman Alai male 0
George Sobhi George Al-Souri male 0
Alia Abdul Nour Sami Al-Souri female 0
Ismail Ahmed Ismail Farhat male 0
Rose Abdul Aziz Mohammed Al-Ghoul female 0
Alyan Abdul Rahman Alyan Al-Ashqar male 0
Sanad Bilal Nabil Amara male 0
Rima Mohammed Sabry Al-Buraim female 0
Hassan Hamza Hassan Al-Amsi male 0
Anas Tariq Mohammed Al-Hasanat male 0
Zaid Khaled Juma Al-Bahbahani male 0
Mohammed Ahmed Salem Al-Qanou male 0
Sarah Mahmoud Fayez Ahl female 0
Mohammed Saleh Mahmoud Al-Dairi male 0
Mohammed Tamer Musleh Al-Qanou male 0
Celine Abdul Hadi Adel Daher female 0
Raghad Ahmed Odeh Abu Khattab female 0
Jannah Hisham Mohammed Hamouda female 0
Hour Mohammed Ibrahim Al-Mamlouk female 0
Aws Mohammed Hussein Al-Aleel male 0
Taqa Musa Khalil Abu Nuseira female 0
Hind Khaled Ahmed Jahjouh female 0
Hour Omar Mahmoud Al-Azaib female 0
Suzan Iyad Mohammed Al-Ashi female 0

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Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 4 December 2023 4:38:14 PM
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Joan Ali Nasr Amer female 0
Basil Mohammed Hossam Abu Jasser male 0
Mahmoud Youssef Mohammed Abu Shawish male 0
Youmna Omar Riad Al-Rifi female 0
Raed Khaled Raed Rajab male 0
Abdul Jawad Mizar Jamal Hoso male 0
Maria Khaled Zakaria Al-Shanti female 0
Aylool Omar Kamel Abu Rahma female 0
Salama Mohammed Marwan Abu Atiwi male 0
Celine Ihab Ayman Al-Bahtiti female 0
Sham Ahmed Fawzi Al-Qufaidi female 0
Fahd Uday Imad Al-Ajez male 0
Lana Youssef Emad Loulou female 0
Diaa Ahmed Abdul Ati Saleh Musa male 0
Jihad Mohammed Raafat Al-Dalis male 0
Rafif Mahmoud Aref Al-Faqawi female 0
Youssef Haitham Youssef Abu Mahdi male 0
Manal Moamen Majed Abu Al-Awf female 0
Joel Atallah Ibrahim Al-Amsh female 0
Layan Rami Anwar Faisal female 0
Watin Ahmed Khaled Al-Saidi female 0
Tasnim Ramzi Odeh Qaraman female 0
Malik Mohammed Shafiq Abu Al-Kass male 0
And Tin Sharif Bakr Al-Batniji female 0
Badr Yasser Rafiq Abu Habib male 0
Sama Ibrahim Majid Al-Wadiya female 0
Tulin Mohammed Tawfiq Al-Taaban female 0
Zeina Ahmed Mohammed Shatat female 0
Ratel Yasser Jumaa Abu Al-Fitah female 0
Hala Yasser Hamed Al-Sanwar female 0
Suwar Khaled Saber Abu Qashlan female 0
Saba Ahmed Ali Al-Qazzaz female 0

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/11/1/know-their-names-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 4 December 2023 4:39:34 PM
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SR,

And all of these babies died because Hamas started a war and hid their terrorists behind these babies.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 5:22:31 AM
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