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The Forum > General Discussion > For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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Hi Yuyutsu,

In no way do I discount what you say, about atrocities and murders of Israeli people by Hamas. Just as I do not condone the murder of innocent Palestinians at the hands of Zionists. If one side kills 100 of the other side, and vice-versa. Its not even score its 200 dead innocent people.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 4 December 2023 8:07:45 AM
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AC,

The problem with you and SR is that both of you try to equate Hamas and Israel.

The reality is that Hamas is essentially ISIS rebranded. This war, the blockade and Gazan poverty are directly due to Hamas and its genocidal attacks on Israel. Hamas' purpose is to kill Jews, gays and opposition members, and extract money from aid projects to Gaza.

There will be no peace while Hamas exists. Once Hamas is exterminated there may be a chance.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 4 December 2023 8:08:59 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

You keep referring to "murdered in captivity" which has been the mantra of the IDF. Hamas is holding hostages at various locations, the IDF is targeting Hamas at numerous locations. Undoubtedly there have been hostages that have been killed as a result of the IDF operations. A couple of outlets have confirmed that, however in most Israeli publications the victims are all being referred to as murdered.

Why is that?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 4 December 2023 9:10:18 AM
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Most Jews that I know, and have known, were/are - law abiding,
middle class, and fitted in seamlessly into the suburban
world - wherever they chose to live.
Yet, because of Israel, because of Netanyahu and the way he's
behaved, the band-aid over antisemitism has been ripped off.

Watching events in Israel on the news -
people feel that it's all right now
to voice antisemitism. Violence against Jewish communities
is on the rise. The actions of the Israeli government has
exacerbated world-wide antisemitism. Pro-Palestinian protests
are increasing. Now people feel they can
express anti-Jewish opinions with impunity , conflating
anti-Jewish and anti-Zionist sentiments as if they were the
same thing.

The wonderful actress -
Miriam Margolyes tells usthat:

Of course, we should be allowed to criticize Israel, its
policies and actions. and she points out that
Yet when you do, you become persona non grata.
You're not allowed to criticize Israel. Even
though Israel deserves criticism of the most severe kind.

She speaks about:

The Law of Returns which states that any Jew born anywhere in
the world can go and live in Israel. No Palestinian can.
And as she says -
That is wrong. People need to see the humanity in each
other. They should not start with terror and murder or
My country right or wrong. It - should not work and be
acceptable. She says that people can change. That
compassion has always been a Jewish tradition.

Yet, as she tells us -
when it comes to Palestinians, it seems that all
compassion evaporates. That we all should realize that the
land must be shared. That people must be treated equally.
Israel must change or it will destroy itself.

And, as she says -
The tragedy of the Palestinians is also the tragedy of
the Jews.

She's praying for a miracle.
As am I.
Each morning as I wake up I ask my husband - "
Any good news?" To date - Nope. Same old bombing continues.
So sad.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 4 December 2023 9:28:17 AM
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Hi SM,
Your X image demonstrates things quite well.
One sided bias, just like you.
You have eyes but cannot see.

"The problem with you and SR is that both of you try to equate Hamas and Israel."
- I see lunatics on both sides.

"The reality is that Hamas is essentially ISIS rebranded."
- Israel was proving support to ISIS, go do your homework schoolboy.

Do you actually know that these people fought alongside ANZACS in WWI?
- But then the West fecked them...

For starters they are Muslims, and they were there before Israel decided to create its own state.
Why should you be surprised that as Muslims they have an ideology such as 'martyrdom'?
Charter Boat: "Holy crap, I didn't know the sky was blue" [moron]
When the vast majority of people living there have no memory of anything other than living in a concentration camp and attacked and sujagated by Israel, who has kept its foot on their throat for 75 years backed by the US, who are owned by the Israel lobby.
Why should you be surprised that they would stand up for their own interests?
You and your mate mhaze can't even let one comment go without trying defend your stance, but somehow these people are supposed to be roasting marshmallows over the JDAM explosions and singing 'Kumbayas' whilst their people are taken hostage, shot, and run off the land.
Celebrating when their kids limbs are blown off.

Maybe the Muslims of Christchurch were supposed to celebrate when their mosque got shot up;
Imam "Yay, why didn't I think of this, let's party!"
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 4 December 2023 9:47:53 AM
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[Cont.]
Some say this war didn't start in a vacuum.
I think people like you and mhaze who seem to disagree with that have a vacuum between your ears.
- A pair of space cadets who are simply not in touch with reality.
Too biased to possess any concept of 'A right to live free with human dignity'.
Somehow you think think these people are sub-human and do not possess normal human traits.
- Which makes me think you two are sub-human and don't possess normal human traits.
If the concept is so alien to you that is.

Give the land back.
Resolve the past disagreements.
- And maybe they wouldn't act that way.

You fools and others like you just aren't in touch with reality.
That's as simple as it is.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 4 December 2023 9:49:10 AM
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