No, you still don't see the bigger picture in things mhaze

The British convinced them to rise up against the Ottoman empire, with the promise that they would have their own state.

Instead they were lied to on purpose, for the creation of an Israeli state.
That promise, was never kept.

These people fought alongside ANZACs who we still celebrate every single year, and their reward for helping in that war?

If they'd known the truth they would never have agreed to it, preferring the Ottoman empire who at least let them live there without the persecution they've lived through ever since.

AC, less than 24 hrs ago, pompously told me I don't know the facts because it was the Nakba (1948) that "started this conflict".

So I give him a few extra facts, which he either didn't know or didn't want to know and...

Now he tells me, less than a day later, that I don't know the facts because it all started in 1917 in Gallipoli!! !!

So it all started in 1948 except that it all started in 1917.

Fair dinkum, talking to AC is like trying to hold rancid custard. It keeps running through your fingers because it has no substance.

He keeps raving about the facts, but keeps showing that the facts can change on a whim to meet whatever contingency he needs.

If we keep going back in time like this each time AC learns a new fact, we'll eventually find out it all started when Joshua invaded Jericho.

What a berk.

Hi AC,

How do you debate with a history jerk off, who said; "Later this month (December) a goodly portion of the planet are going to commemorate the death of a Jew in Jerusalem around 2000 years ago." Shows his ignorance, a kid in kindergarten knows more. Probably thinks the 3 Wise Men were insurance salesmen named Huey, Dewey and Louie!

"death"

Read "birth"

Never post after you've had one too many toasts to your new grandkid.

Thank you Foxy for your lovely thoughts and prayers!

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Dear Mhaze,

«And the Arabs lose. No surprise there...the Arabs always lose to the Jews.»

I otherwise agree with your historical perspective, but there is no place for such boastful arrogant statements...
unless rather than defending Israel, you are here trying to defend the Jewish Messianic movement, which believes that the Jewish god will always save them, no matter how badly they behave.

Israel is in grave danger and no victory is automatically guaranteed.
Israeli hostages are still undergoing hell in Gaza's tunnels and Israeli soldiers are being killed and wounded there every day. Even those who were released might require rehabilitation for the rest of their lives for their physical, emotional and mental injuries.

Lets face it - Israel just bitterly lost a battle on October 7th: where was your god?

Israel also lost the 1973 war which started on the holiest day of the year: it got so bad that Israel's defence-minister asked his Prime-Minister, Golda Meir, for permission to use Israel's doomsday weapons (she refused) - everyone was praying that day, so where was your god?

Many mistakenly consider 1967 a great victory for Israel. It was indeed a victory for the Jewish Messianic movement, but did it help Israel? No, it only drowned Israel in the swamp of the occupied territories, and instead of remaining a decent democratic and independent country, Israel was since made a servant to that cult, spilling the blood of its young for that cult and incurring the rage of the world for something that should have never been its own business. I consider that an Arab victory!

Yep, Too much 'Kool-Aid' tends to have that effect on ya mhaze! Congrats on becoming a granddad.