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U.S politics and religion adding to the Middle East crisis

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How about ramping up accountability on both sides?

Many Israeli Jews have made it clear that:

"We need to work towards a shared future where we do
not harm each other. We need to create a culture of
peace. Jewish supremacy will not achieve that."

The argument that the entire population of Gaza can be
held responsible for Hamas's actions is quickly discredited
when one looks at the facts.

The vast majority of Gazans do not support Hamas.
The US Foreign Affairs has made that clear in
its reports and surveys. However it doesn't take
much intelligence to see that -

Continued bombardment and violence will not bring the
future most people - both Israelis and Gazans
hope for any closer.

Instead of stamping out sympathy for terrorism past
Israeli crackdowns and restrictions only
made life more difficult for
ordinary Gazans and now Israel's military
campaign - will undoubtedly increase support
for Hamas.

If the current military campaign of Netanyahu and his
government's action in Gaza does not change, it will
further set back the cause o0f any long-term peace.

Israel needs to send out a different message - The enemy is
Hams - not the Palestinian people. That will require a
new, reasonable government in Israel.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 2 November 2023 10:59:23 AM
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Dear Foxy,

«Many Israeli Jews have made it clear that:

"We need to work towards a shared future where we do
not harm each other. We need to create a culture of
peace. Jewish supremacy will not achieve that."»

Definitely so.

But we are not there yet.

That is the second phase, which I look forward to - but the first phase is to finish Hamas.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 2 November 2023 11:06:12 AM
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Hamas is a heavily armed terrorist organisation avowed to destroying Israel. Whether people support it or not is immaterial. Hamas is in the Gaza strip and Israel has every right to remove it.

If Australia had a terrorist theocracy avowed to destroying one of its neighbours, regularly firing off missiles and killing civilians, I wonder how "But not all Australians support the regime." would go toward stopping a response to the attacks? And remember that Hamas is being supported by other nations and individuals, including Australian citizens, so what of their culpability?
Posted by Fester, Friday, 3 November 2023 6:03:55 AM
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"Hamas is a heavily armed terrorist organisation avowed to destroying Israel. Whether people support it or not is immaterial. Hamas is in the Gaza strip and Israel has every right to remove it."

Well that could be true, but what about this?
Could this be true also

Israel is an occupying power, and as such doesn't have a 'right' to self defense, and Hamas is the 'resistance' militant force for Palestinians, who can't even get UN troops to protect them because of America's UNSC veto.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 3 November 2023 7:08:11 AM
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Hi AC,

I'm sure that the likes of Breivik and Tarrant would find your reasoning of the conflict acceptable. I see it as the culmination of religion based antisemitism and hatred of immigrants. What is happening is an inevitable consequence of hatred. Israel has every right and reason to destroy Hamas.
Posted by Fester, Friday, 3 November 2023 7:50:12 AM
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The possibility of a lasting peace seems as far
away as ever. The history of failed negotiations
suggests it is largely because Israel prefers
the status quo.

Since the October 7th Hamas attacks Israel has
sustained an unprecedented brutal assault on the
Gaza Strip. The Israeli government has stated that
its aim is to eliminate Hamas.

But it is becoming increasingly clear that the war is
in pursuit of a second goal:

The mass expulsion of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip.

There's more at the following:

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/sada/90869#:
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 3 November 2023 8:15:43 AM
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