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That sinking feeling

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Juncker: Ukraine is totally corrupt

'Former European Commission chief bashes Kyiv’s EU candidacy.'
http://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-juncker-ukraine-corruption-eu-accession/

Former European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has slammed the possibility of Ukraine joining the EU, lambasting the country as massively “corrupt.”

“Anyone who has had anything to do with Ukraine knows that this is a country that is corrupt at all levels of society. Despite its efforts, it is not ready for accession; it needs massive internal reform processes,” Juncker said during an interview with German outlet Augsburger Allgemeine published Thursday.

“Making false promises” to Ukrainians regarding EU accession “would be neither good for the EU nor for Ukraine,” added Juncker, who was boss at the Berlaymont in Brussels from 2014 to 2019.

“You shouldn’t make false promises to the people in Ukraine who are up to their necks in suffering,” Juncker said. “I am very angry about some voices in Europe who are telling Ukrainians that they can become members immediately.” Kyiv has been fending off Russian President Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion which began in February 2022.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 October 2023 9:40:35 AM
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Baldrick,

Now you are telling outright lies. There was no military presence in the area, and the missile clearly came from the Russians, the only ones deliberately targeting civilians. Only a lowlife grub would argue otherwise.

And America does not do this all the time you are just lying. Provide proof.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 8 October 2023 11:25:14 AM
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Yeah well you're talking through your anus.
What's all this you halfwit, why not try google before you open your mouth n let the shite fall out?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/new-study-asserts-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-target-rescuers-funerals/
"CIA drone strikes in Pakistan have killed “dozens of civilians” who had gone to help rescue victims of drone strikes or were attending funerals for the victims of previous strikes, according to a new report by British and Pakistani journalists.

...between 282 and 535 civilians have been credibly reported as killed including more than 60 children. A three month investigation including eye witness reports has found evidence that at least 50 civilians were killed in follow-up strikes when they had gone to help victims. More than 20 civilians have also been attacked in deliberate strikes on funerals and mourners."

So Russia (if they did do it) they were actually quite restrained, the US would've double-tapped the rescuers as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanaa_funeral_airstrike
"The Sanaa funeral airstrike took place on the afternoon of 8 October 2016 when 155 people were killed and at least 525 more wounded when two airstrikes, about three to eight minutes apart, hit the packed Al Kubra hall in Sanaa, Yemen during a funeral. The attack was the deadliest single bombing in the then-two year long Yemeni civil war. The funeral was being held for the father of former interior minister Jalal al-Rowaishan. Sanaa mayor Abdel Qader Hilal was reportedly among those killed. The Saudi-led COALITION (That means US were actively involved in the war) initially denied responsibility but then took responsibility and put the blame on information given by the Yemeni government."

Looks like the US prefer weddings however:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airstrike
"The Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike refers to the killing of about 37 Afghan civilians, mostly women and children, and injuring about 27 others by a United States military airstrike on November the 3rd 2008."
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 October 2023 12:07:44 PM
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[Cont.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haska_Meyna_wedding_party_airstrike
"The Haska Meyna wedding party airstrike was an attack by United States military forces on 6 July 2008, in which 47 Afghans were killed. The group was escorting a bride to a wedding ceremony in the groom's village in Haska Meyna District of Nangarhar Province, Afghanistan.

The United States government denied that civilians were killed in the incident. An investigation by the Afghan government disagreed and determined that 47 civilians, including the bride, had been killed.

The first bomb hit a group of children who were ahead of the main procession, killing them instantly. A few minutes later, the aircraft returned and dropped a second bomb in the center of the group, killing many women. The bride and two girls survived the second bomb, but were killed by a third bomb while trying to escape from the area. Hajj Khan, one of four elderly men who were escorting the party, stated that his grandson was killed and that there were body parts everywhere."

http://www.hrw.org/report/2014/02/19/wedding-became-funeral/us-drone-attack-marriage-procession-yemen
"On December 12, 2013, a United States aerial drone launched four Hellfire missiles on a convoy of 11 cars and pickup trucks during a counterterrorism operation in rural Yemen. The strike killed at least 12 men and wounded at least 15 others, 6 of them seriously.

Yemen authorities initially described all those killed in the attack outside the city of Rad`a as “terrorists.” The US government never officially acknowledged any role in the attack, but unofficially told media that the dead were militants, and that the operation targeted a “most-wanted” member of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) who was wounded and escaped.

Witnesses and relatives of the dead and wounded interviewed by Human Rights Watch in Yemen said the convoy was a wedding procession. They said everyone in the procession was a civilian, including all of the dead and injured, and that the bride received a superficial face wound."

I'm not actually certain that anything you say at all has any credibility whatsoever sorry.
And when proven wrong you just stick your head back into the sand like Ozzy the Ostrich.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 October 2023 12:10:05 PM
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"There was no military presence in the area, and the missile clearly came from the Russians."

Clearly? what did you see the Russians launch it?
- That's the only way you could claim 'clearly' you idiot.

- Usually when there is a military funeral, there would be military people there. This was a reburial to the soldiers home village, and what better than to attack them and blame the Russians, you have to keep the anger up within the troops and citizenry to continue the war, and get the visiting foreign dignitaries to hand over more weapons.

Your own arguments make it more likely Russia didn't do it.
If there were no military there as you say, why would Russia waste a missile on it?
Better to target troop concentrations, supply lines, ammo depots, or decision making centres.
Aren't they running out of missiles?

Your argument for this is about as dumb as your claim that Putin started the war.
- You really are about as dumb as a box of rocks aren't you mate?

Putin says Russia did not start the war in Ukraine
http://youtu.be/dSoszzy0IpE
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 October 2023 12:22:53 PM
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Baldrick,

Who said it was a military funeral? The dead were mostly women in a village that had no military presence. This was a war crime for which Russia will be paying reparations for decades.

idiot.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 8 October 2023 1:57:17 PM
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