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That sinking feeling

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"As for the US Air Force, it has more modern fighters than the rest of the world put together and would squash the RuAF like a bug."

Are we talking Ukraine or China?
(I'm guessing Ukraine)
If in Ukraine, they would take a hell of a lot of losses trying to take out Russian integrated air defence and also losses from manpads;
- And they would still have to commit ground forces.
They would probably need to close every military base around the planet that they have just to round up enough troops to do the job, as well as do a draft, and none of those troops have combat experience.

If in China (against China)
- Not without fuel they don't.

You don't think China will target every single facility capable of refueling from South Korea to the Darwin if necessary?
- You can bet they will.

One more thing, you said 'illegal invasion'
China invading Taiwan - it's unclear if that would even be illegal.
The US government itself even recognises that Taiwan is an inseparable part of China.
- And you all want our boys to die for this flimsy cause?

The fact of the matter is that if the US doesn't meddle, China has no reason to invade anyway
- The same damn argument that held true for Ukraine.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 5:42:23 PM
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Zelensky campaigned on a platform of peace.
http://twitter.com/ricwe123/status/1681673779586428935

Seymour Hersh: “Zelensky’s army no longer has any chance of a victory”
http://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/09/23/seymour-hersh-zelenskys-army-no-longer-has-any-chance-of-a-victory/

Ukraine war: Western allies say they are running out of ammunition
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66984944

Misery in Ukraine as deadly conflict drives civilians from homes
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/02/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html
September 2, 2014

>>Alexander Omelyavenko, a Donetsk resident, told CNN, “We are Ukrainian but they kill us, so we probably need our own country. Because these people in Kiev, they are not brothers for us.”

The husband of a 34-year-old woman killed outside a block of flats last Wednesday wouldn’t talk to CNN, saying he was in shock. He made it down to the cellar with their small child but she simply didn’t have time. A 50-year-old woman was killed with his wife.

Donetsk, once-thriving, is now half-empty, shop fronts shattered and its railway station bombed.
Its trauma hospital is filled with the civilian wounded who were unable to reach safety in time as the shells rained down.
Medical teams treat market traders with shrapnel embedded in their legs or the broken limbs of pensioners too old or sick to run.

Valentina Popova, in the ward next door, has lost her leg and her arm to indiscriminate artillery shells.

“We used to dance, sing, do everything in Ukrainian. Poroshenko, Mr. Poroshenko – please listen to us. Why don’t you understand your people? Be a man. Be human. Please stop your aggression. Stop this war.”

“Washington and Brussels need to ask Kiev authorities to stop shelling the houses, schools, hospitals and so on because you leave militia with no choice but to stand up to protect their people,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.

It cited a Luhansk morgue doctor as saying explosive weapons have killed more than 300 civilians in the city since May.
HRW researchers spoke to more than a dozen people who had witnessed artillery, mortar or rocket attacks in civilian areas.

“Many of the attacks appeared to be indiscriminate, in that they did not or could not distinguish between civilians and combatants,”
“Indiscriminate attacks violate international humanitarian law, or the laws of war.”<<
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 11:54:30 PM
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Baldrick, you are becoming incoherent and just talking drivel.

If China blockades Taiwan with Subs, the US can just as effectively blockade mainland China with Subs.

The RuAF has lost 90 fixed-wing planes since the start of their illegal war only 60 from enemy action, the rest have crashed all by themselves. As for their air defence, that's not even working well against the Ukrainians.

The Russians are running out of tanks, APVs, air defences, ammunition and men. The Ukrainians are using cluster weapons to deadly effect and the Russian "meat wave" attacks are just littering the fields with rotting Russians.

Even in the battle of attrition, the Russians are losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 5 October 2023 3:18:56 AM
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The sinking feeling is yours charter boat
I think it's almost about time for you to give it up
The writings on the wall even Ukrainian MPs admit not winning.
Ukrainian MP Lesia Vasylenko "Russia is winning the battle of protracted conflict"
http://www.youtube.com/live/xUBJnE1M2Xk&t=2188

It's time to take off the blinkers and change your violin strings;
Not only is Ukraine LOSING this war, the war is LOST.

Ukraine war: Western allies say they are running out of ammunition
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66984944
>>Adm Rob Bauer, Nato's most senior military official, told the Warsaw Security Forum that "the bottom of the barrel is now visible".<<

Russian military boosted by 335K new troops, defence minister says
http://globalnews.ca/news/10000945/russian-military-size-ukraine/
“Since the start of the year, more than 335,000 people have entered military service under contract and in volunteer formations,” Shoigu said. “In September alone, more than 50,000 citizens signed contracts.”
- Russians are starting to smell victory, young men are lining up to take part in this new great patriotic war.

The Pentagon warns Congress it is running low on money to replace weapons sent to Ukraine
http://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-congress-funding-13727f76561a80d2f00267a13667c33a

Ousting of US House speaker darkens outlook for Ukraine aid as funds dry up
http://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics/ukraine-aid-impact-mccarthy-ouster-intl/index.html

Slovakia shift, elections in Poland dampen support for Ukraine
http://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2023/10/03/slovakia-shift-elections-in-poland-dampen-support-for-ukraine/

Slovakia promises to cut aid to Ukraine after pro-Moscow candidate wins election
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/01/slovakia-cuts-aid-ukraine-pro-russia-candidate-wins-electio/

EU Wants To Pay Off Hungary To The Tune Of €13BN So Orban Doesn't Veto Ukraine Aid
http://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-wants-pay-hungary-tune-eu13bn-so-orban-doesnt-veto-ukraine-aid

Kremlin-Friendly Hungary Government Wants to Hold Back Some Ukraine Aid
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-03/hungary-floats-splitting-ukraine-aid-after-us-cash-is-blocked#xj4y7vzkg

Russian oil price cap not working – Washington
'US Treasury chief Janet Yellen says Russia has maintained export volumes and prices remain high despite the limits'
http://www.rt.com/business/583814-russia-oil-cap-working-yellen/

U.S. Funding Cutoff Threatens Ukraine’s Economic Stability
'U.S. pays government bills and public-sector salaries alongside arms supply'
http://www.wsj.com/world/europe/u-s-funding-cutoff-threatens-ukraines-economic-stability-82716679

Germany will not give Ukraine long-range Taurus missiles in near future
http://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/10/4/7422679/

Why There Are No Game-Changing Weapons for Ukraine
http://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/14/ukraine-russia-taurus-germany-atacms-weapons-attrition-strategy-deep-battle/

Thousands protest in Berlin against giving weapons to Ukraine
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/25/thousands-protest-in-berlin-against-giving-weapons-to-ukraine

No weapons left for Ukraine in Europe – Politico
http://www.rt.com/russia/583947-ukraine-arms-production-politico/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 5 October 2023 10:53:37 AM
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Olena Zelenska spends $1,100,000 on Cartier jewelry, gets sales employee fired
http://thenationonlineng.net/olena-zelenska-spends-1100000-on-cartier-jewelry-gets-sales-employee-fired/

German minister admits Berlin sending outdated weapons to Ukraine for Russian war: Report
http://www.wionews.com/world/german-minister-admits-berlin-sending-outdated-weapons-to-ukraine-for-russian-war-report-639718
>>German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock has reportedly admitted that Berlin had occasionally sent outdated or almost non-functional military equipment to Ukraine.
"It does not only help to promise, and then you cannot deliver, or deliver things which do not work ... Some of our systems were really old-fashioned," Baerbock said in an interview with US media, according to Sputnik news agency.<<

Russian media: over 33,000 Russian soldiers killed in war with Ukraine
http://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/29/7422028/
"Journalists from the Russian service of the BBC and Mediazona have discovered that since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of the war in Ukraine, at least 33,236 Russian soldiers have died, of which 3836 have been mobilized."

If we pull the plug on Ukraine, it will be 10 times worse than in Afghanistan.
This would be a death sentence for Taiwan.
You missed the whole of World War II if you don't know how this movie ends, says Republican Senator @LindseyGrahamSC on Face The Nation.
http://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1708890922082058611

Irrecoverable Losses of Ukrainian Formations - Rybar
- As of OCT 1st, 2023 - Total Killed - 493,678
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1709333949175177271

Sunak: There are no British soldiers that will be sent to fight in the current conflict
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1708450733291409629

First video of a FAB-1500 with a guidance kit.
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1708099634382692387

The Mayor of #Bucha from a video filmed on March 31, 2022 happily announcing the withdrawal of the Rus Army (the day before).
Strangely, no mention of massacres or bodies on the streets
http://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1511186611672805379

The 47th mechanized bridged has been rotated off the southern front due to high losses and refusal to carry out combat orders.
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1707838036002877717

The Fall | The Losses Of The Ukrainian Army Reach HALF A MILLION. Military Summary For 2023.10.04
http://youtu.be/i9VugQzxS0g

You can keep flogging that horse until it's dead SM;

But if you keep saying 'Russia is losing this war'
You're just going to look more and more like an idiot.
It's time for a reality check mate, it's ok to be wrong.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 5 October 2023 11:09:24 AM
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Just out of curiosity,
How many people here strongly believe the USA and allies can beat China, Russia, Iran and North Korea all it once, on their home territory?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 5 October 2023 11:25:37 AM
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