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The treaty at the heart of Uluru.
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Posted by mhaze, Monday, 21 August 2023 4:44:58 PM
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Understand how aboriginals see the government's VOICE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFX7BUCZvxE Posted by Josephus, Monday, 21 August 2023 5:17:02 PM
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Thanks Josephus,
You just cemented my position for me, and I feel comfortable that a 'No' vote is the right decision at this time. This solution whatever it is, needs more work and more time, the current proposal just cannot be entertained just yet. (And probably shouldn't be entertained at all - if one group enjoys rights and priveledges that others don't) I will not entertain this non-indigenous imposed solution until I firstly see a coming together of all 250 tribes and they sit down and 'voice' to us what they themselves want. I don't want to hear Albo's 'voice'. It seems there's no consensus between political parties nor consensus between indigenous themselves. This whole thing is a total mess. If this is about a 'voice' then why do we only hear from Albo? I don't care what he has to say, he's biased for his own team and that team is his party not the indigenous. I want to hear what all the tribal elders have to say. Let them have their voice now, we don't need new laws for this. I don't want to hear from Albo on this issue anymore. I can understand an aspiration to close the gap, I'd like to see indigenous have long happy wholesome lives just like anyone else, but I don't realistically believe the gap can be closed, without giving them more rights and privelidges (funding) when they live in the bush the way they choose to. And I'm not convinced the constitution should be changed to give them more rights and privileges than others. This may in fact just make things worse, and with our governments historically it often does. I'm voting No, and that's the end of it. I've made my decision. A No vote also means they'll have to do better next time. - That they can't just blackmail people on an emotional level in order to force them to vote yes. Voting NO doesn't mean I'm heartless and racist. It means this issue (and finding the right solution) is too important to get wrong. Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 21 August 2023 6:58:16 PM
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Plenty of info on peoples' rights but absolutely nothing about peoples' responsibilities !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 21 August 2023 7:00:32 PM
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- Since when did government EVER get anything right anyway?
This whole thing is a complete mess, an accident waiting to happen. A debacle in the making, half-cooked policy in the same class as the governments insulation scheme. The only thing that is guaranteed is government incompetence and a propensity to cock things up. - There's no guarantee of success, and history says it'll most likely only be another monumental government failure. Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 21 August 2023 7:11:44 PM
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Dear Armchair Critic,
Well Johnny Q is a bit of a loose unit but it was a good watch. The main takeaway for me is just how gracious indigenous people are to us. We should be able to reciprocate but the nasty, puerile, racist attack from people like shadowminister show how far away for that we really are. There does seem to be some confusion in the small group of indigenous people in the video about how the regional representation will work and it would appear more work needs to be done on informing those on the ground. But the codesigned report is pretty clear the Voice will work on a local and regional level. • Communities across a region decide how best to organise themselves in alignment with the principles and based on their context • Local communities and groups have clear pathways to participate and connect to their regional structure in a way that works for them – this is referred to as the ‘Local & Regional Voice’ • Each region decides how best to draw its voice members (i.e. election, nomination/expressions of interest/selection, drawing on structures based in traditional law and custom, or a combination) and how many voice members there will be • Existing local/regional bodies (e.g. advisory bodies, statutory and land rights bodies, ACCOs etc.) link in without their roles being duplicated or undermined Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 21 August 2023 11:56:43 PM
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And I showed quite conclusively that the ALP were not only in agreement with the original idea of the intervention, but remained committed to it for a further term.
But with your ALP uber alles attitude, you really want to forget that, n'est pas?