How many non-Indigenous people know what the Voice
is all about?

With over 250 different Indigenous communities - it would
be difficult to know what they're all thinking. They're not
all just one homogenous group. Plus according to the
Guardian's second polling over 80% of Indigenous people
support the Voice.

We'll have to wait and see how all this pans out. Predicting
anything with any certainty is risky at the best of times.
As we've found out in the past.

But, fingers-crossed.

to shadowminister and mhaze,

No it wasn't corruption and cronyism and Latham's quote doesn't say that either, but rather the chair Clarke being the subject of historical rape allegations.

Any of the following sound familiar?

"John Howard stating that ‘the ATSIC legislation strikes at the heart of the unity of the Australian people’ and ‘if the Government wants to divide Australian against Australian, if it wants to create a black nation within the Australian nation, it should go ahead with its Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) legislation and its treaty’."
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp2223/Quick_Guides/FormerAboriginalandTorresStraightIslanderRepresentativeBodies#:~:text=The%20Hawke%20Government%20passed%20the,and%20Torres%20Strait%20Islander%20people.

It is just the same old playbook being rolled out.

Only 15% of ATSIC's funds were discretionary.

"its executive council was elected by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander voters but it was staffed by public servants who reported to, and were responsible to, the Minister for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Affairs. Furthermore, ATSIC was frequently blamed for broader failings in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander policy, such as poor health outcomes, over which it had little or no control. Over 85% of ATSIC’s budget was non-discretionary funding for delivering programs set by the Australian Government".

SR,

Nonetheless, just like with the Intervention which you tried (and failed) to claim was all Howard's idea, the closure of ATSIC was a bipartisan idea that was supported by not only both major parties but also by indigenous leaders.

"but rather the chair Clarke being the subject of historical rape allegations."

No that's the reason Clark was removed as Chairman of ATSIC. But it was the corruption that was the problem eg $45000 diverted to Clark's legal defence team.

(After all, the rape was hardly a problem given that its part of aboriginal culture... sorry, couldn't resist).

It is time we stopped identifying race and deal with problems that may occur in remote communities. If we took the $4.5 Billion spent last year and exclusively spent in those remote communities which is less than 2% of the aboriginal population, by upgrading their services and internet.

But instead, it all goes to the well-educated, well housed, and employed elite who do not need special services. I cannot find any Yes case supporters supply to me why Megan Davis, Linda Burney, Noel Pierson need a Voice in the Constuction. There is NO NEED. VOTE NO!

The only ones to benefit are the elite.
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Quote,
“I don’t see how the Council is going to be able to drive to all these communities and properly educate them in time for the referendum,” says Graeme Smith, CEO of Lhere Artepe Aboriginal Corporation, a representative body for native title holders in Alice Springs: “What these communities need is better internet connectivity, they need direct access to information on the referendum. Right now, they don’t have that.

“This is a problem that the Commonwealth created, and a problem that the Commonwealth has to solve.”

It might be better internet connectivity, or it might be physical outreach. Maybe it’s both. It’s clear remote Indigenous communities first need to be educated about the Voice and be given the opportunity to form a view".

The aboriginal population is descended out of India from Africa. 70,000 years ago.

The developed human population emerged from Europe some 700,000 years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtHFrtmxzYc&t=3s
Poulianos' position is that the skull of the "Archanthropus of Petralona" is 700,000 years old. And that the Archman is the ancestor not only of today's Europeans, but also of the people of the whole earth. Some of his human findings, dated "11 million-year-old remains of homo erectus trigliensis". The skull in 1964 was dated to 700,000 years by two German scientists, the anthropologist E. Breitinger and the paleontologist O. Sickenberg Sickenberg, as well as the Japanese professor Motoji Ikeya, a leading nuclear physicist, visited the cave five times and to apply the pioneering method of paleomagnetism.
In the end, he confirmed the claims of Poulianos....
In 2006, a biography of him was published, written by his physician wife Dafni Poulianos, entitled Aris N. Poulianos - Upheavals - From his life and work here:

Dear mhaze,

Lol.

You really don't like to let things go do you.

You claim: "the Intervention which you tried (and failed) to claim was all Howard's idea".

I showed quite conclusively that not only did he not consult with the NT Chief Minister but he didn't even run it past his own cabinet. But you keep your little alternative reality going if it serves as a comfort to you.

As to the payment of legal fees you are right. Us poor old taxpayers keep getting slugged.

"Taxpayers to fund legal costs of Scott Morrison and other former ministers related to robodebt royal commission"
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/23/taxpayers-to-fund-legal-costs-of-scott-morrison-and-other-former-ministers-related-to-robodebt-royal-commission