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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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Hi Foxy,

Who's destroying what?

'Putin's destroying Russia'
- Well I dunno about that but he's making a mess in Ukraine at the moment, it didn't have to come to this though.

"Hundreds of thousands of young Russian men, some with
their families have fled Russia to avoid conscription.
Many drove their own cars, a few bicycled, and many paid
exorbitant prices to fly out, many to Turkey."

You're worried about the price of Post-Covid airfares?
Have you caught a plane here lately?

Men leaving Russia to avoid conscription,
Well that should come as no surprise, really?
You think it's not happening in Ukraine?
A lot of bribery going on there, and people smuggling
Too bad if you have nothing to bribe with.

- But don't you worry about those men leaving Russia.
It's the other men you should be concerned about.
Maybe possibly around a million dead and wounded in total now on both sides...
Can you comprehend that?
Can you comprehend all the facts?
- it didn't need to happen.

On that topic, I heard somewhere that come October 1st a new law will again prevent military age men from leaving Russia.

"Thousands of scientists and other intellectuals along with
hundreds of ballet dancers and other artists have left or
tried to leave Russia ashamed and frightened of Putin's
wars and unhappy with his severe repression."

- Well that was a part of the Wests plan anyway.
Click on this and then look at the date.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdf

2019
When did the Russia invade?
-2022

Scroll down the .pdf from the link above a few pages and read the contents
- What's it say there?
"Measure 4: Enhance Russian Brain Drain - Page 85"
I wonder what that means?
Could it mean the west has a policy to get the scientists, intellectuals and ballet dancers to leave and take their talents to America?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 25 August 2023 5:15:06 PM
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"Then we can look at the Arts. Where is the cultural milieu
that gave humanity the symphonies and operas of Mussorgsky,
Tchaikovsky, Korsakov?

Where is the creativity that spawned 'Swan-Lake'
'Boris Godunov'? We should all cry for the culture that
spawned them but is no more."

I'm not sure about that.
- But how many kids do you see in this country doing that?

You know Ukraine was firing on innocent people in the Donbass for 8 years, schools hospitals, kindergartens, cafes, that kind of thing...
- But no one cared, these lives weren't important back in 2017...

You're worried about the loss of arts in Russia
Don't worry about the 60,000+ amputees;
- And you'd probably be one of the lucky ones if you were one of them, mind you.

Here's your 'arts'.
Ukraine blew up the Mariupol Drama Theatre full of kids, women and elderly.
https://rumble.com/v23py49-what-really-happened-at-the-mariupol-drama-theatre..html?start=1647

Here's your 'arts'
Russians remove kids from a warzone and send them to a classical music school.
http://thegrayzone.com/2023/03/31/iccs-putin-arrest-state-dept-report/
- And for this, Putin gets an ICC warrant.

"Russia is being destroyed by Putin. And that is
SAD BUT TRUE!"

Putin's approval rating is 82%
http://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/
- Our leaders can't enjoy that level of support even in peacetimes!

And it is sad that Zelensky campaigned in Ukraine and won on a platform of making peace with the Russians.
The people obviously didn't want this, except the NAZI nationalists maybe.

Maybe Zelensky didn't get the memo, about the special relationship between Ukraine and the US
Since the US spent 5 billion overthrowing the country and installing a ruler of their choice.
Including, (we must remember) this came about by supporting opposition groups, and working WITH the right-wing NAZI nationalists
- Who will have Zelensky swinging from a bridge if he doesn't do as he's told.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 25 August 2023 5:28:59 PM
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While Putin has destroyed many lives in the
Ukraine, he has not destroyed Ukraine.

However, there is no question that Putin will be
remembered as the man who really set out to
destroy his own country.

Clearly this is somebody who has worsened the living
standards and freedoms and culture of Russia itself.

http://theconversation.com/what-legacy-will-vladimir-putin-leave-russia-195444
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 26 August 2023 1:00:37 PM
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"However, there is no question that Putin will be
remembered as the man who really set out to
destroy his own country."

You're so naive about how the world works Foxy.
BRICS already has more than 50% of the global population
Dozens of countries are lining up to join

Putin will be remembered as the man who took on the West
- Both the collective Wests combined military and US based hegemonic system
- And WON.

Putin will be remembered as the man who put an end to the Wests rule based order and their unipolar world
In favour of a multipolar world
- Where everyone gets a seat at the round table as equals.

Not a world ruled by threats, blackmail, regime change and military intervention.

2 days ago the world changed, and there's no going back.
I'd tell you to try to keep up with the worlds events;
- But you don't even know how the world actually works to begin with.

You know how Rome fell Foxy?
They over-extended themselves militarily and hegemonically
America has made the exact same mistake
They should not have used money and trade as weapons against others.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 26 August 2023 2:04:03 PM
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AC you are a liar,

The Mariuple theatre was bombed by the Russians and that is clear the ethnic cleansing that Putin ordered is now why he is a war criminal. Russia is being destroyed and many Russian conscripted soldiers have no idea why they are being sent to die fighting an illegal war in Ukraine.

Russia is being destroyed and is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 26 August 2023 2:26:43 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Armchair Critic should go and live in Russia.
Putin needs people like him. He would be welcomed
there with open arms. Living in this country -
he doesn't have the "freedoms" that apparently he
thinks that Russia and Putin can provide. After all he keeps
referring to the "wicked" West all the time.
Why is he living here? Is he a Russian agent?

So many questions needing answers.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 26 August 2023 3:17:29 PM
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