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The Forum > General Discussion > The Nays have it.

The Nays have it.

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The fundamental problem is that the aboriginal culture is stuck where
it was in 1788.
In all the 65,000 years they did not even invent the wheel.
It was inevitable that they would be jerked into the current time
period whether they liked it or not.
The problems and losses they suffered were the inevitable result of
their attitude of resisting change.
There is no point in blaming those that jerked them out of their slumber into reality.
Posted by Bezza, Sunday, 2 July 2023 12:26:19 PM
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Josephus,

You need to be better informed on the subject.

This link may help:

http://theconversation.com/a-voice-to-parliament-will-not-give-special-treatment-to-aborigine-and-torres-strait-islander-australians-heres-why-200650

Bazz,

You also need to be better informed on the subject.

This link is only one of many available on the web:

http://australiangeographic.com.au/topics/history-culture/2015/03/aboriginal-australian-inventions/

Visiting a museum may also help you to become better educated
and informed.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 2 July 2023 1:04:07 PM
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"A constitutional law expert explains..."

As we saw during the great WuFlu scare, we have a massive army of people who are determined to subsume their opinions to so-called experts.

"You know, saying "trust the experts" to me makes no sense at all. Trusting the experts is a function of religion and totalitarianism. It is not a function of democracy. In a democracy, we question everybody."
RFK Jr

In a democracy, we question experts, we don’t defer to them.

Still for what its worth, these are the five excuses Foxy's expert gives for putting the Voice in the constitution....

1.The people who wrote the Uluru (Ayer's Rock?) statement wanted it.

So apparently we just have to give them what they want.

2. It gives the so-called 'first people' constitutional recognition.

Well so does whackying a sentence or two in the preamble which if done would receive almost universal support.

3. Putting it in the constitution gives it "security and certainty".

Translation, they don't want another ATSIC which got canned because it was so corrupt. Corrupt or not, the Vocie will survive .

4. " constitutional change will confer on the Voice a strong popular legitimacy that is not achievable through ordinary legislative change"

This is the real reason. They'll end arguing before a compliant High Court that it has special powers because its in the constitution. It will go way beyond the 'advisory' council they keep eluding to.

5.Some rambling claim it will make the Voice effective.

Why a legislated Voice can't be effective isn't explained. But then those who are looking to be led by the nose by 'experts' don't need explanations.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 2 July 2023 1:04:21 PM
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mhaze,

Sadly explanations seem to be beyond your understanding.
But never mind. You are entertaining.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 2 July 2023 1:07:50 PM
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Read your link Foxy, but they never got beyond the boomerang.
It seems they never even built a glider.
They never invented woven fabrics so they never invented a hang glider.
They never built a hand cart or wheelbarrow.
They never smelted metals, yet they had fire.
Did they know the world was round ?
Did they know the earth went around the sun ?
Or did they think the sun went around the earth ?
Did they ever ask the question ?
They must have surely watched cloud banks disappear over the horizon.
They were age old questions but the answers lay in the ability to
first ask the question and then produce the tools to answer the question.

No Foxy they were stuck and had no interest in understanding more or
it would have happened as it did everywhere else on earth.
There are a multitude of subjects that were commonly known everywhere
on earth except in Australia.
Posted by Bezza, Sunday, 2 July 2023 1:44:52 PM
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Bazz,

It's difficult to engage in a productive conversation with
people who are either misinformed or simply refuse to listen
when their view is wrong.

The best course of action is to politely decline to continue
the discussion.

Before I go here is another link that is worth a read. Not that I expect you to take any of this on board:

http://theconversation.com/how-we-collaborated-in-creating-the-first-inventors-to-celebrate-extraordinary-indigenous-peoples-knowledge-and-technologies-206666
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 2 July 2023 2:35:40 PM
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