Well, you see ArmChair, here's the problem.

When we talk about the Uighur, I'll talk about the Uighur and use established evidence. I'll also write about how the Uighur genocide relates to other genocides, in particular those perpetrated by other totalitarian regimes.

What I won't do is run off on wild goose chases using WhatAboutism to try to minimise the crimes of those committing genocide. You know, things like trying to minimise the genocide of a people in western China in the 21st century by trying to divert it to the crimes in the eastern USA in the 19th century. What's next? Let's talk about the genocide of the Dacians in the 2nd century? Just as (ir)relevant.

There is evidence that these crimes against the Uighur have been and are being perpetrated, not the least of which is eye-witness accounts of rape, murder, forced sterilisation and family separation. Trying to minimise this by fantasising about possible external involvement when no evidence for that exists is not only anti-intellectual but also the path that leads away from the truth.

But for some, that's the path they prefer to travel.

Paul,

"Under Communism China has full employment. One of the great benefits of their socialists system. Like social security which you claimed China didn't have, when in fact workers in the worker paradise they enjoy a state run system of insurance, unlike Capatalist India next door where millions beg in the streets!

As I suspected your info is from lying American trash, which makes things up without evidence, just like you."

Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 14 January 2022 5:35:38 AM

"Trying to minimise this by fantasising about possible external involvement when no evidence for that exists is not only anti-intellectual but also the path that leads away from the truth."

Hmmm...
Well, you see mhaze, here's your problem.

You're inept in knowing where to look to find said evidence;
- And you lack the understanding of how the US government goes about these things.

If you had that knowledge you wouldn't say such foolish things and be standing up there on your high horse.

THE FIRST THING I DID, the moment after reading your post;
- Was do a google seach for 'NED Chinese Uyghurs'
(NED means 'National Endowment for Democracy' a government funded organisation in the US)
Here's what I got, you can see for yourself.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=NED+China+Uyghurs
The top result shows a listing for 'World Uyghur Congress - NED Grant Search'
If you click on it, it won't display all the information you need,
- But we'll get back to that.

So next I went down the google search listing a little further and found an article, titled:
NED unveiled as main supporter of farce, disinformation ...
It's an interesting article, but I wasn't sure you'd find it credible as it's from a chinese source 'Global times'
The article itself provides a fair bit of interesting info;
You can get to it from the google search link, or just click here
http://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202205/1265598.shtml

And so next, not to be outdone, I decided to go back to the top google listing, and instead of clicking the title link, I instead looked at the url for that link, and clicked those little 3 dots arranged verticlly at the end of the url for that top listing, and accessed the cached version of the page.

[Cont.]

What I will do now is add the link to that google cached version of the NED page. (Sorry for the long URL)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9tmumWWq7AcJ:https://www.ned.org/wp-content/themes/ned/search/grant-search.php?organizationName%3D%26region%3DAsia%26projectCountry%3DChina%26amount%3D%26fromDate%3D%26toDate%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26projectFocus%255B%255D%3D%26search%3D%26maxCount%3D10%26orderBy%3DReverseSortAs%26start%3D1%26sbmt%3D1&client=firefox-b-d&hl=en&gl=au&strip=0&vwsrc=0

Now if if you click that big link above and scroll down the page, you'll actually get all the info for the projects that were funded by the NED; 278 of them apparently.
- At the top of the page you'll see this:

"Search results for Project Country: China
Project Region: Asia
Project Focus: , , , , , , , , , , , ,
Displaying records 1-10 of 278 results
All results totalling $37,166,073"

So the NED has spent $37,166,073 promoting its activities in China.
You can go through the listings and look at all the individual projects and amount of each grant.

So, the moral to the story is this:
When you state that I am 'fantasising about possible external involvement when no evidence for that exists'...
- Well to put it the nice way, you don't know what you're talking about.

Comprehende?

[Cont.]
Now, further to make my point, I ask you this question:

If the US government is willing to give you a bucket load of money, (and potentially offer you a plane ticket and citizenship, if you're able to leave) when you live in relative poverty - are you willing to lie for them and fabricate a fake 'rape' or anything else, in order to better the life of yourself and your family.

And furthermore, if you make these false claims
- Do you not think the Chinese Authorities will investigate and try to find out who the people were who lied, including potentially acting against your 'human rights' in order to gain said information and learn about your co-conspirators?

Now, finally, I'm not saying that certain human rights violations aren't occurring, perhaps they are, it may even be likely that some of these things are happening.
- But as I said earlier,
'I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some mistreatment going on there, but it also needs to be looked carefully, and in the right context, and I say that specifically in relation to whether the US has deliberately tried to empower this minority to come out into the streets in a public display of civil disobedience and to deliberately cause civil unrest.'

- I'll even add 'make false accounts of human rights abuses to that previous paragraph'

Are we all 'on the same page' in regards to everything now?

As Paul noted, "America has a long history of 'destabilisation from within' when it comes to ousting unfavourable governments, its just one of their weapons of war. There are many examples of the CIA working to ferment unrest by using proxies in foreign countries."

Are we done?