Paul,

You are a bit of a shill for the Chinese communists berating me for running down a murderous party because they improved the lives of their people. (Not as much as they could have had China been democratic)

Here you are defending the Chinese use of slave labour. Disgusting.

Hi Paul1405,

Re: Your comment to mhaze;
"...like the way they orchestrated a war in Vietnam in which million were murdered on false propaganda."

- From what I understand the 'Gulf of Tonkin' incident was completely fabricated (false flag) by the United States, as a pretext for further military escalation in the Vietnam War.

"As I said, I believe there is a case of mistreatment by the Chinese government of the Uyghurs, but to what extent is not clear, there should be an independent investigated in the allegations by the UN."

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some mistreatment going on there, but it also needs to be looked carefully, and in the right context, and I say that specifically in relation to whether the US has deliberately tried to empower this minority to come out into the streets in a public display of civil disobedience and to deliberately cause civil unrest.
- It may be that some of the accused human rights violations were a reaction by the Chinese authorities to quell and manage civil unrest that the US had deliberately caused.
- I think I may have added the report from the UN official for Human Rights, who visited the country last year.
- I believe she was bullied and threatened and was removed from her position; consequentially, I'm not sure we can rely on the UN to produce an unbiased report.

Hey mhaze,
"Well the point is that it wasn't treated as an historical fact for 60 years because communist apologists refused to accept the evidence. Ditto what's happening in China. Exact same processes."

Yeah well It's a historical fact that indigenous were treated horribly by the white inhabitants of Australia and past governments refused to accept the evidence either, because it was they that sanctioned or condoned it.

I've said it before, all nations have horrible histories.
The West is no saint, there would be almost non quantifiable amount of evidence relating to the United States and other Western countries of their own misdeeds.
How many died or were mistreated under policies of slavery in the United States and how many of the perpetrators were ever held accountable for their actions?
Have you heard of Iraq and the non-existent weapons of mass destruction?
You'd be a fool to go down this path without recognising that the West too has plenty of skeletons in it's own closet.

Hey shadowminister,
"You are a bit of a shill for the Chinese communists berating me for running down a murderous party because they improved the lives of their people. (Not as much as they could have had China been democratic)"

This may be true as far as improvement of living standards of the people in general but democracy is by no means a perfect system either.
Instead of enriching the state or corrupt party members, democracy improves means to finance, improves the rate of production and greatly benefits elites and business interests;
Beyond that, democracy is used as a tool of imperial conquest, to steal the wealth of other nations and impose puppet rulers more favorable to Western empire and to maintain and expand western hegemony, without any need to employ a standing army for the purposes of invasion or occupation.

SM,

Get off the drugs! I never posted that, you make one post and claim I've made some comment to you. Either you are delusional, or have more than one nick you post under, quite possible. As I said, get off the drugs.

Hi AC,

Good insight into what is a possibility concerning the Uyghurs. America has a long history of "destabilisation from within" when it comes to ousting unfavourable governments, its just one of their weapons of war. There are many examples of the CIA working to ferment unrest by using proxies in foreign countries. The Americans have no concern for the rights of the Uyghurs in western China, they are an expendable tool to be used and then discarded. The Ukrainians also, like many before them will learn a hard lesson one day, that once being of no more use they'll be thrown away as well.