mhaze,

No need to get hot under the collar, in your usual fashion when I simply asked what you were basing your evidence on, there was no demand, so stick that rant where the sun don't shine. I've read enough to believe there is evidence of Chinese government mistreatment of the Uyghurs, but to what extent we don't known. Simply regurgitating American propaganda on the subject is not conclusive evidence. The references sighted in Wikipedia are mostly from Western writers and commentators, with a certain amount of bias. I would like to see a fully independent investigation of the alleged Chinese atrocities. If Tibet is any guide I wouldn't count on Chinese cooperation with any such investigation.

You and others of the extreme right, along with some moderates within Australia, are prepared to sell China out at every opportunity. You are happy to march down the road to war with 1.4 billion people on the Americans say so, I'm not accepting of that proposition.

Yep, Paul, as communist apologists have done for a century, requires more proof than 'western propaganda'.

So the only way he'll believe the genocide is happening is if the Chinese own up. But of course the Chinese won't own up and therefore Paul will remain in the 'no-proof' camp.

There are any number of personal testimonies from Uighurs who finally got out, but the apologists dismiss these as the words of people who have a vendetta against the lovable CCP.

This same process took place when the Ukrainian Holodomor occurred. The apologists denied it happened, called for 'independent' proof (ie Russia owning up) and spent 60 years denying it took place. Only after the USSR collapsed and the Russian files were released, was it proven that the Holodomor occurred, although even now papers like the New York Times retain Pulitzer Prizes for their reports denying the Ukraine famine . But by the fall of the USSR the apologists had stopped defending the Kremlin and were intent on defending the CCP.

As I said, there is an enormous amount of information for the apologists to ignore....

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/4/uighur-tribunal-hears-evidence-of-alleged-china-abuses

Being locked into China for trade - thanks to Big Business - has already enslaved us to that country. It is clear that some Australians would be happy to increase that slavery. And, we certainly cannot trust Australian politicians of any sort. They are totally unconcerned for instance, by the scarcity of certain life-saving drugs that have been handed to the Communist country to manufacture. Ask the health minister, and he will not respond, as I found.

mhaze,

Not sure what the relevance is concerning the Holodomor in the Ukraine carried out by Stalinist Russia 90 years ago, how does it fit with this topic, it's simply an historical fact. As I question these things you call me a "communist apologists", may I call you a "Nazi Sympathiser", I think not, and I'm no communist apologists as you claim. When it comes to propaganda the Americans have form, like the way they orchestrated a war in Vietnam in which million were murdered on false propaganda. You are a sycophantic supporter of America, we have no shortage of your type from your side of politics. As I said, I believe there is a case of mistreatment by the Chinese government of the Uyghurs, but to what extent is not clear, there should be an independent investigated in the allegations by the UN.

Paul,

"Not sure what the relevance is concerning the Holodomor in the Ukraine carried out by Stalinist Russia 90 years ago, how does it fit with this topic, it's simply an historical fact. "

Well the point is that it wasn't treated as an historical fact for 60 years because communist apologists refused to accept the evidence. Ditto what's happening in China. Exact same processes.

"may I call you a "Nazi Sympathiser", "

Absolutely. the next time you see me leap to the defence of the NSDAP the way you always leap to the defence of the CCP whenever their virtue is questioned, then please feel free to call me a Nazi sympathiser. Don't hold your breathe.

"there should be an independent investigated in the allegations by the UN."

I provided you with a link to an independent (non USA) investigation with eye-witness accounts. To no one's surprise, you are ignoring it.

mhaze,

How am I ignoring "it", when I say; "I believe there is a case of mistreatment by the Chinese government of the Uyghurs" so until I apologise for the CCP I suggest you shut up calling me a "communist apologists".