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Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 4:34:55 PM
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Ultimately though, I'd really suggest you all watch these 2 videos.
I took a LIBERAL, ANTI WAR Protester to see the truth in Donbass, and THIS Happened! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o SCOTT RITTER ON RUSSIA EXPANDING THE MILITARY AND, THE VICTORY THAT IS MORE THAN JUST OVER UKRAINE. http://youtu.be/wqxFiy7-PaU Don't do it for me, do it for yourselves to broaden your own understanding of how things actually are. I'm happy to respect everyones opinions, but it makes things a whole lot easier if you're all a little better informed to begin with. I never argue anything without some kind of basis of merit, you all should know that of me by now. - And sometimes I do get things wrong, but I'm not afraid to admit it when I do. Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 4:39:32 PM
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Dear Critic,
I always believed that the common Russian people are victims of their regimes. But now you claim that the Russians always supported their despotic regimes. - well, that's hard to tell because not too many, even Russians, like to find themselves doing hard labour and freezing in Siberia for 10,15 or 20 years for telling their preferences too freely. So then is it not just Stalin but the common Russians who supported the murder by hunger of 7-10 million Ukrainian farmers? Nor is it Putin, but the common Russians and their mothers who are simply eager for them to die patriotically in the fields of Ukraine for Matyushka Zemlja? I can see why Jews were motivated to get rid of the Romanov dynasty: http://aish.com/48956806/ Yet I wanted to understand how exactly they managed to kill them, so I looked up your reference, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_the_Romanov_family, and found the following: "The White Army investigator Nikolai Sokolov erroneously claimed that the executions of the Imperial Family was carried out by a group of "Latvians led by a Jew".[149] However, in light of Plotnikov's research, the group that carried out the execution consisted almost entirely of ethnic Russians (Nikulin, Medvedev (Kudrin), Ermakov, Vaganov, Kabanov, Medvedev and Netrebin) with the participation of one Jew (Yurovsky) and possibly, one Latvian (Ya.M. Tselms).[150]" Maybe they WERE just drunk bicycle riders after all... Now Trotsky, a former Jew turned true communist believer who opposed the tyranny of Stalin for whom communism was just a token, was therefore murdered in exile. I suppose the common true-blu drunk bicycle-rider Russians wanted Stalin, thus got rid of this little Jew who was interfering with their murderous nationalist orgy. Really, what's the big deal? Bicycle riders throughout the world must admit their crimes and repent for their horrible history of drunkenly trampling over and destroying that many cars, buses and trucks! Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 5:04:43 PM
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Hi AC,
Yuyutsu covered the question well, but it is a bit like saying "Jesus was killed by Jews, so all Jews are murderers.". It seems an archaic way of thinking, much like the fellow in the youtube video saying that he couldn't kill Ukrainians but he'd have no trouble killing Americans. The woman (she appears a bit after half way through) didn't seem influenced by propaganda. The Russians have lost well over 100 BTGs, equipment and troops. They are running out of equipment now, so they are throwing tens of thousands of poorly trained and equipped soldiers at the Ukrainian forces in an effort to deplete ammunition and protect Russian hardware. It will be interesting to see how much air defence the Russians can muster to protect their airfields. The Russian Army seem to be taking their time taking Bakhmut. Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 6:28:23 PM
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Hey fester,
Well I guess that considering how these things can be twisted way out of proportion from what was intended, let me say that I certainly didn't mean to imply that all Jewish people are responsible for the acts of a few, and this holds true for all races and people. One person should not be held responsible for the acts of another. - Unless they themselves had some hand in those actions themselves. I'm white, and would be called a coloniser just for my skin, even though I actually have a tiny bit of indigenous in me. But I'm not directly responsible for anything that happened in the country 100+ years ago. And I don't hold it against anyone for simply being Jewish if he came from there, in that kind of racist sense; I've made some good Jewish friends online over the years and they aren't responsible for things that happened in the past any more than I'm responsible for things that happened in Australia 100+ years ago. Yuyutsu is simply just another person to me, no more no less. I wish nothing but the best for all the people in my life. All of you included, regardless what any of you think of me. Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 6:47:58 PM
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"The Russian Army seem to be taking their time taking Bakhmut."
I'm not sure if it's by accident or deliberate. Ukraine fights to defend every inch of soil, but the Russians are happy to strategically withdraw or choose a place best suited to inflict harm upon the Ukrainian defenders. I know that if they're planning to eventually make a move on Odessa, that they want to destroy the Ukrainian forces first and leave it till last so that the city is virtually defenseless when they take it. Odessa has historical significance to them, they don't want to destroy it. I've added plenty of links on this thread, if anyone wanted to get a different point of view from what the mainstream media says, I've given plenty of ways to go digging, if one wanted to. But let me tell you, if the Ukrainian military weren't in big trouble right now for what is coming really soon when the ground hardens, then Lavrov wouldn't be issuing ultimatums. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-lavrov-ukraine-ultimatum-army-territory-b2252042.html “Our proposals for the demilitarisation and denazification of the territories controlled by the regime, the elimination of threats to Russia’s security emanating from there, including our new lands, are well known to the enemy,” state news agency TASS quoted Mr Lavrov as saying. “The point is simple: Fulfill them for your own good. Otherwise, the issue will be decided by the Russian army.” This should be enough to tell you that the situation for Ukraine is rather grim, and that if the media you read is telling you otherwise, then maybe the media isn't telling the whole truth. Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 6:59:08 PM
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"Zelensky is now trying to do the impossible."
You got that part right.
"We should all support him."
- Why should we? Because the US want's to oust / overthrow Putin and chop Russia up into tiny pieces and then move onto China?
No, the Australian (leaders and) people should do what's best for the Australian people.
As for your article, no it doesn't really help anything.
It contains truths, half-truths and complete mistruths and when taken as a whole;
- Does not in any way help to inform the reader of the full story.
Also it's somewhat dated and doesn't reflect the situation on the ground.
Right now Ukraine has about 190k combat capable troops, where as Russia after mobilisation has at least 550k and outnumbers Ukrainian artillery by a factor of 8.
- Plus a whole lot more military hardware I'm not going to go into right now.
Hey Fester,
"The idea of the war in Donbas starting because of Russian language speakers being persecuted looks a bit improbable in a country where 80% of the written and spoken language is Russian."
Yes it's true the Ukrainians in 2014 tried to outlaw the Russian language.
The OECD were found to have been supporting Ukraine, so are not entirely reputable.
And I only watched a part of the video you added, the first people were happy to go to war in Ukraine if asked, and the few I watched after weren't so it made me wonder if the guy was cherry picking.
- And by the look of his bleached blond hair I:
1/ suspected he might be gay (not judging)
2/ Noticed he was earning an income on Western platforms (YouTube and Buy me a coffee accessed by western NGO's who created VPN specifically for this purpose) and had a financial interest in supporting westernisation of Russia.
As for Jews, I've merely stated facts, and if you disagree with what I've put out I'm happy to hear it and retract and apologise if I've gotten things wrong.