suzeonline:"
I can't speak for the other women 'Septic, but I rather like men and all their bits, it is just women-haters like you that I dislike."

Oh dear Suzie, not merely thick, you're determined to avoid facts any cost. Sad, but entirely understandable given the bias intrinsic in the sexual discrimination laws.

Mind you, I quite like women's "bits" as well...

phanto: << Well which is it then a cop-out or a failure by those whose responsibility it is to take action? It can’t be both. >>

Of course it is - it's a cop-out by you and a failure on the part of the university, college and Church.

That you refuse to see that just means that you're part of the ongoing problem that feminist analysis seeks to elucidate.

I can't believe that you think that feminists should just shut up about this kind of appalling and entrenched institutional misogyny among some male elites in our society.

Anticeptic <"Mind you, I quite like women's "bits" as well..."

Well there you go! Human after all, Anticeptic.
Maybe there is hope for you yet.

Cheers, Thick Suze. :)

I can't understand rape at all for a $100 you can get a r//t which is a lot less these days than taking a shiela out and wining and dining her in the expectation of a r//t
If rape is not for the domination and violence thing then I am at a loss
From the time I got with my ex I only had one other woman and that was because SHE, the ex wanted a threesome
I wanted most times just to be held but she wanted it to be sex all the time while still running half the blokes and shielas that she ran before we were married
There are just as many warped shielas out there as there are blokes
While I was working my guts out trying to get something together for our son and her giving me the injections of anti-inflammatories (Toradol) to ease the pain from the work that I was doing her bludging boyfriend was r//ting the ar/e off her not working schemeing with her so they could take the house that we "supposedly" were buying for our son, then she says I am the bludger

Thanks
From Dave

I think a cop-out is a failure to take responsibility. These students of a university have said things that some people do not agree with. If we do not agree with them expressing their opinions then what should then be done about it and who should do it.

What should be done and whose responsibility is it to see that it is done. Responsibility to me means using the power you rightly have over someone else to administer consequences for behaviour you deem unacceptable. Without that power you cannot change their behaviour of expressing their views. You may be able to change their views but in this case I cannot see how it can happen when those who seek to change them by reason and logic are themselves perpetrators of abuse of reason and logic. These authors are not trying to present a logical counter argument to their views they are trying to silence them not by authority or by reason but by trying to manipulate most of the rest of the male population to rise up against them so that they will change their views out of peer pressure or fear. That is not change that will benefit anyone least of all women.

CJM: That you refuse to see that just means that you're part of the ongoing problem..

Who said I refuse to see it? Maybe I cannot see it. It is one thing to refuse to look and another thing to be blind.

CJM: appalling and entrenched institutional misogyny among some male elites in our society.

Do you have a lot of evidence to suggest it is entrenched, institutional or misogynistic or is it just a wild swipe in the dark like the authors make?

Why are they the elites of society? Is that not an attempt to make them feel guilty about some material advantage and shame them into changing their views for that reason rather than present a good counter argument to their misogynist views?

When good counter arguments are presented men with integrity will listen. Emotional manipulation will get nowhere.

suzeonline, i have never said anything, misogynist, in my life, ever, & neither has anybody else. As you well know we, members of men's groups have always specified radical, extremist, red/green/loony/left, femanazis like you, not ALL women. Real women are not feminists, never have been & never will be. They, like, men, like me, repeatedly. You will just have to take my word for it, for the moment, but, like most men, i am better at parenting, cooking & housework than most women. Most of the women, i have dumped, want me back, because i am also charming, attractive & good in bed.

The purpose of women's studies, at university is to train females to abuse themselves, while simultaneously fooling themselves into believing, men are responsible for, their own, self inflicted injuries. Femanazism is the globalisation of Co-Dependant, dysfunctional, personal relationships. It is training females to believe that their friends are their enemies & their enemies are their friends. Not only were you silly enough to fall for it in the first place, but you still are defending the indefensible. If i did not know any better, i would think that, you are trying to prove that, the male chauvinist pigs were correct all along & that females, really are, a weaker, less intelligent subspecies of human beings.