suze,

'Doing that sort of thing too often can make you all bitter and twisted, and to have a warped version of what most women are really like.'

You have that about face. Men who hate women, look to these sort of things to confirm in their heads, yes woman do hate men. People tend to attempt to confirm what they already believe.

Just as your average feminist loves incidences like the facebook page in discussion, as it helps to confirm what they already believe. They get an instant wet spot, as it's more fuel for their rage. Just like formersnag gets a hard on when he reads some feminists hate literature.

CJ Morgan,

'I can't believe that you think that feminists should just shut up about this kind of appalling and entrenched institutional misogyny among some male elites in our society.'

I don't think he's said that at all. He's said that they should stop extrapolating that behaviour to the rest of the male population. Big difference.

phanto,

Good last post. I was thinking the same about the 'elites'.

Pynchme,

Nice use of divide and conquer. You gave CJ a nice little smile for being the good boy, and castigated antiseptic for being the bad boy. Pity neither are looking or needing your affirmation.

'(a) not aberrations from a rape culture norm because there are too many incidents to be that'

Yep, your average man in the street is a rapist.

'(b) are a direct outcome of social and cultural patterns of beliefs about women, their place and value in society in relation to men.'

What about when men get raped and bashed? Men don't discriminate (I know you see us as one entity), and actually are more likely to bash another man. I think that women are bashed less often by men shows they are held in higher regard than other men. That less men are raped probably shows more men are heterosexual.

'Is that the bloke you want as your spokesperson? '

I don't need a spokesperson, I think men are individuals.

What's the term to describe the male version of Feminazi? I'm assuming that refers to extreme unpopular ideas or demands of feminists, not just anyone that does any work or thinks positively about caring about women which, in my humble view, works with women to address their flaws and challenges, developing qualities and in time, working for a better world. This does not at all equate with hating men (but might involve denouncing violence, rape and sexual or any other type of assault or violence).

The word can't be just 'nazi'. Would it be mannazi? Couldn't be manlynazi cos there's nothing 'manly' about the rabid end of any continuum of male behaviour. (Or female continuum ditto) Ideas welcome.

You have to hand it to the almost perfect man 'Antiseptic' - perfect in every way, but seems to hate women who might want to 'be equal' in any way. And the women who leave him want him back? It's so indicative of 'we're all right Jack', so as we have nothing valuable to add to thinking about what can change positively, we'll knock and patronize anyone who has anything to say (unless it is exactly what we already think. As in 'all feminists are bad and the root of all evil types of comments, and if some men are rapists then all men are blamed type nonesense.

Someone was on about 'the norm'. what do you reckon are societal norms that might take us forward as human beings to a safer world for all.

with provision for men's legislatures only, Australia's Constitution confers on men the right to control every
aspect of the life of every woman in Australia. in 1902 the men who occupied these legislatures exclusively,
agreed to allow women a say in how women should be controlled through the granting of franchise and
parliamentary representation.

over the past century women's influence has increased to the extent that men are now swamped with advice
from women as to how women should be controlled. the Constitution has generated an untenable
situation in which controllers are so beseiged with advice from the controlled some have lost the plot.

with a Constitution affording brutal disregard for women these men vilify women to communicate distress
to other men.

whereas, women are perfectly capable of controlling women in the modern world, the resolution to the male
dilemma is to grant women a women's legislature.

Whistler, I'd like to idealise the idea of women politicians doing the right thing if they had the right legislature too, but where's the evidence that women are women's best friends?

Do you think that there are many women who are quite ignorant about how women are victimised, and in fact who deliberately or ignorantly find excuses for poor / even criminal behaviour, and blame the victim rather than make the perpetrator responsible?

I just find that women are often other women's nightmare by supporting the aggressor - if that person is a male, but being very quick to blame a female who is violent - to anyone?

I shudder at the probability that women, expecting safety and equal rights, will become more aggressive, and more likely to fight back, and in turn, more likely to become more predatory. The increasing numbers of women in jail seem to suggest either this is happening, or man's dominant intolerance for female fightback is having that result.

Phanto,

Lets not pretend that these sexist attitudes don't exist. We all know blokes with disgusting attitudes towards women. We all know blokes who remind us of the scum in the Brimble case. Antiseptic has a teenaged daughter and would be well aware of these blokes.

However, as you have pointed out, there is no reason why the rest of us men should feel any collective guilt and nor should anyone imply that we should. Secondly, any discussion of what women could do to reduce the incidence of rape is labelled "blaming the victim". Men have a right to be cynical about being asked to help people who will not help themselves. Lastly, whenever an incident occurs, professional feminists rush to write articles that push their agenda and promote the author. They need to check their facts, because others will. The Brimble case was complex. The Auckland case was a beat-up. This Facebook scandal appears to be a bunch of immature rich tossers, who have used the term "rape" as a metaphor. The people who have beaten this story up have only damaged their own cause.

Formersnag <"They, like, men, like me, repeatedly."

What the ....? Are you saying men like you? Well good for you.

Formersnag <"...like most men, i am better at parenting, cooking & housework than most women. Most of the women, i have dumped, want me back, because i am also charming, attractive & good in bed."

I always thought maybe your words were too controversial to be true formersnag (neversnag?).
Now I am certain of it. I think I will leave you to it now.