sharkfin:"if 80% of people return a product to woolworths because it is not working then there is something wrong with that product."

Speaking of man-hating... 80% of men are defective, are they dear? That'll play well down at the collective. You go grrrl!

Yes, narriage is better than single life for most people, just as partnerships in all sorts of fields allow individuals to achieve more than they could alone. Of course, just as in any other field, a marriage partnership is not lkely to survive the prospect of one of the psrtners getting access to the lot if they decide to split. Given the level of support offered by State institutions to women, especially women woith children and given the likely outcome of divorce property settlements and the prospect of a few hundred extra (tax-free to wifey) dollaes in child support each week it's hardly surprising many women suddenly decide men are "defective".

I see there's a new "antiseptic hates women" fest being promoted by the weak-minded. Whatever floats your boat, dears, at least you'll have something to fume about while you're watching "Days of our Lives"...

It's truly amusing that the same people who love to stereotype men as "80% defective" are so offended when the mirror is turned on them. Why aren't all women condemning the radical man-hating of pynchme, sharkfin, SJF et al? Do you all think 80% of men are defective, as sharkfin says? Do you all hate sex and envy the possession of a penis as much as pynchme? Never mind, just tell yourself "antiseptic hates women" and you need not think at all. You go grrrls!

the one certainty is that the blanket male supervision of all women in Australia mandated
by the nation's Constitution, which seriously disturbs many men as well as women, is
on the brink of total collapse.
there is now no way forward other than with the provision of a women's legislature.
some men in particular appear utterly desperate that men be relieved of the increasingly
dysfunctional and onerous male supervision of women, whether in parliament, the courts
or the community, in perpetuity.

Thanks Pynchme and sharkfin - funny, my partner says similar things about me :)

phanto - so you're suggesting that the establishment of an avowedly "pro-rape" website by by some St Paul's college boys is something that feminists shouldn't write about? It seems to me that if such attitudes persist among these priveleged kids who will undoubtedly grow up to take their place among our society's elite, then that is strong evidence for the continuing relevance of feminist analysis of such blatant misogyny.

The fact that most men participating in this thread have either ignored the execrable behaviour of these college brats, or have sought to excuse it, is strong evidence to me that decent men should support feminists who seek to draw attention to the ongoing prevalence of misogynist attitudes among significant numbers of men. This is, of course, why 'white ribbon day' was devised by men and aimed at other men.

<< It is for the university authorities to deal with the problem. >>

That's a cop-out, and besides which the university and Anglican college have sought to deal with the problem in the way that universities and churches so often do - by attempting to sweep it under the carpet.

As stated succinctly by Richard Ackland in an article linked to below, "a bucketload of tripe has been the official response to... this tawdry abhorrence. Apart from the desperate little jerks behind this wheeze, the leadership of the college, the university and the Anglican Church itself need to be hung out to dry on this one."

http://tiny.cc/tgYQs

With men like these college creeps and some of OLO's more vocal misogynists around, it seems to me that feminism is still as relevant as ever.

CJM:
“That's a cop-out, and besides which the university and Anglican college have sought to deal with the problem in the way that universities and churches so often do - by attempting to sweep it under the carpet.”

Well which is it then a cop-out or a failure by those whose responsibility it is to take action? It can’t be both.

I fail to see why the whole issue has to be aligned with the feminist cause. Violence is violence and should be dealt with in appropriate ways. Attitudes are different altogether. Everyone is entitled to whatever attitudes they like including these college students. They have not committed any crime and in no way can their behaviour be equated to sexual violence or rape. It is when those attitudes become behaviour that some action needs to be taken. Attitudes are not behaviour. If you don’t like someone’s attitude then ignore them. Why do feminists like these authors have to take these attitudes and interpolate them as evidence of bad behaviour in most, many or even a ‘significant number’ of men.

If they want to write an article which states explicitly that most men behave violently toward women then let them back up such claims with solid evidence. They should either put up or shut up. Sweeping generalisations can work both ways. Men may decide to campaign that women are the more violent gender. Women are violent towards their male partners and probably more violent towards their male children than men are because they have more opportunities to be so. This would make men less violent overall towards women than women are towards males. You would have a hard time proving it but that does not make it untrue.

So when authors equate attitudes to behaviour and ignore logic and the burden of proof they are behaving in an aggressive way. They should not be listened to nor supported until they stop using emotional blackmail to put forth their argument

Almost all of the senior management &/or spokespersons of the Femanazi movement both past and present have been radical, extremist, loony, left, lesbian, misandrist, paedophiles. The authors of the current article & their whack job supporters, actually want to increase the incidence of rape, by reducing male respect for women.

Respect is a two way street. Why should any male have respect for women today? They don't respect us. The article proves that, with more of the same misandrist propaganda about men & boys being responsible for everything that is wrong in the world.

"Grow a pair of ovaries girls & woman up". Take responsibility for something, anything, anywhere in the world that you may share some responsibility for. Runner is absolutely correct. Are you seriously suggesting that a young, attractive, woman should dress in an extremely, provocative manner, go out to singles bars, rave parties, etc, where almost everybody there, including her, is drunk &/or drugged, and there is NO increased likelihood of rape, sexual assault, violence etc, because "it's her right to behave like an idiot".

The incidence of everything you femanazis complain about, DV, rape, child abuse, etc, all of it has in fact been steadily worsening over the last 40 years as direct result of femanazism and the pro child abuse policies you have been pushing. You ARE the problem, not the solution.

"Male apologists", backing femanazism, come from 2 paradigms. Commonly having a dysfunctional, alcoholic, violent, father and being stupid enough to believe femanazi propaganda, that ALL other fathers are the same. The other is radical, extremist, loony, red/green/left politics, where the purpose was to destroy western families and capitalism with it & sadly, usually both.

Listening to these terrorists IS abusing our children.

Antiseptic-<"Do you all hate sex and envy the possession of a penis as much as pynchme? Never mind, just tell yourself "antiseptic hates women" and you need not think at all. You go grrrls!"

I can't speak for the other women 'Septic, but I rather like men and all their bits, it is just women-haters like you that I dislike.

Formersnag <'Respect is a two way street. Why should any male have respect for women today? They don't respect us.'

I am sorry you feel that no women respect you formersnag. Could it be because of your rather extreme hatred of ALL women, even those you don't know? Don't you have any nice women in your life? I feel sorry for you.

You seem to take alot of notice of some extreme feminist groups. I tend not to take any notice of extreme men's groups formersnag. Doing that sort of thing too often can make you all bitter and twisted, and to have a warped version of what most women are really like.