pynchme:"What do you propose to help children in these situations ?"

It seems that Yabby has already done that, unlike the mother, who was prepared to condone whatever happened. How do you propose to help the children of dysfunctional mothers? The current rhetoric, especially from the victim industry, is all about the fathers and never a word about the greater number of kids harmed by their mothers and their mothers boyfriends/girlfriends. That attitude failed the little girl yabby mentioned.

The real problem with DOCs and the rest of the social industries is that they have a vested interest in creating the perception that a problem is larger than it is. the bigger the problem, the more funding to do studies to determine the problem is even bigger. Lots of room for advancement when agencies are growing, eh? The ends justify the means after all...

It's nice to see the continued effort to discredit Erin Pizzey, based on a hodge-podge of Marxism and envy, all because she had the guts to stand on her own instead of falling into line behind what she saw as egregiously flawed dogma. Such a dangerous person...

Shorter Antiwomen: "I don't like mothers and feminists, or any other women except Erin Pizzey"

"You're a Pomeranian. Nernernernerner."

How's your love life?

*"It is never the woman's fault" which, of course is untrue; women can behave as badly as men.*

Ah Fractelle, but you are prepared to admit that. Unlike SJF,
who seemingly thinks that she should be pushing her propaganda,
rightly or wrongly. There is a huge difference and that is
my point.

If its not about a fair and just society, but simply people pushing
to the limits whatever they can get away with, for whatever reason,
then its an issue for me, for philosophically they are quite
different.

Thats my bone to pick with feminism, that some quite openly misuse
it to achieve their agenda, rightly or wrongly. Its no more then
a friggin excuse. Years ago I had a few flings with a chick
who would have been the laziest person I have ever met lol. She
was quite smart and knew how to manipulate everyone around her to
do everything for her. When I refused to take things to a more
serious level for that very reason and told her, her excuse was
that if she could get away with it, why should she not do it? Secondly
women had such a hard time in the past, she was making up for
their misfortune :) Now that might be an extreme example, but that
how is how the feminism story can be misused by some.

I stick up for what I think is right and just and I was disappointed
that nobody had much positive to say about Robert's post, for to
me thats a vital issue.

tbc

The 5 year old girl was a very sad story indeed, its a long story.
To cut it short, when the father once commented that he would
break in his daughters, I read him the riot act and promised the
mother that I'd help her, if she ever decided to leave. She turned
up some time later, with 20 bucks, 3 kids and a dog. He owned 6
guns and threatened to shoot me and her so I paid for the families airfares
to Melbourne, where she had family. Then I rang the cops and got
them to take his guns off him. That meant that they could all
cool down and think about things.

As far as the debate goes, yes AS uses colourful language to make
his points, but then so does Ginx, so why is it only ok for some?

I don't agree with every point, but then I only agree with every
point that I make :) AS certainly makes some very valid points.

There is an article written by Sue Dunlevy that demonstrates the use of exaggeration, and fear mongering.

Dunlevy wrote her article prior to the release of unemployment figures.

<The United Nations Commission on the Status of Women last week heard history showed recessions had placed a disproportionate burden on women.>

Not true as unemployment figures for Australia, the UK and America show that the majority who loose their jobs are male.

<But lower pay rates for women are also a sign that 40 years after the equal pay case we still don't value women's work.>

Now if women are paid less than men, would it not be better business sense to employ more women than men.

<The big danger is recession will gobble up the small steps toward equal pay and equal rights women have already made.>

Figures for the US demonstrate that unemployed men are having enormous difficulty in getting their child support payments reassesed at a more realistic level.

I understand in Australia, the recession has had a negative impact on the amount of child support being paid.

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I have a few hours left before leaving, I've done my sleeping during the day, so I've catching up on OLO, after the flurry of activity in the last couple of days.
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A last thing first: I am so damn saddened that you could possibly think that I use the same type of language that that vile creature does, Yabby. I mean it. It depresses me, because I would never use the sexual innuendo that he does. It shakes me that it comes from you, a guy that can write what he just has. I knew somehow that you had a compassion heart, that's why it matters.

Pynchme: Thank-you. The way this subject has panned out on OLO is not typical; I 'did the rounds', it has been nasty HERE.

I really will remember that OLO has a much bigger male membership, than has appeared on the three/four? threads I'm referring to. Many of those fellas I strongly disagree with, but most of those men (friend or foe) have not joined in the 'Boys Club' denigration of OLO females on these threads. I WILL make a point of remembering that.

Fractelle: I fully understand your reasons for being wearied by this nonsense, and unwillingness to continue on for ever more!

SJF: I meant win/lose in the most cynical way! I also understand fully what you said in your post, and can even agree on the merits of not engaging with the repugnant septic in particular. Conversely, I will continue to stand up to what is bullying;-pure and simple bullying, because if I did not, I would not be able to live with myself.(Which btw., is how I got to know Erin P in the UK).

Septic: you ARE exactly as SJF described you, and more. A slimy, little maggot, who is riddled with hatred for women (some won't,- but I DO include Belly here. Someone who posts quite reasonably for some of you-, until he talks about women). But NOBODY is such a vile, smutty little no-count as septic. NOBODY.

Continued.....
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