argonomist...sorry but your argument is idiocy. inorganic mercury does not leave the body sooner than organic mercury. to suggest so in this argument is ridiculous. the science is soon to come that will make your claims the ignorant rantings of idiots.

Dickie,
Don’t be so quick to call that expert, Warthaug, an idiot. He is merely refuting the anti-vaxers’ false claim that there is no autism among the Amish.

And, if you had listened you would’ve heard him say that African countries, Pakistan and India at least HISTORICALLY used to have pretty poor rates of vaccination in their rural areas.

His point that you conveniently ignore is that regardless of vaccination rates of any nation or area, the autism rates don’t change- they remain constant at about 1 in 160.
This answers your question, “But can we assume that the parents of autistic children were also vaccinated with ethyl mercury?”

You cannot intelligibly refute the statistics that Warthaug shows on his video because they are the facts.
How do you explain that the autism rates in Japan did NOT decline when children were not vaccinated? Forget about the ‘vaccinated parents’ argument. Look at historical vaccination rates
LOL, the autism rate even slightly increased when the Japanese children were not vaccinated!

ALL findings have ruled out the link between autism and thimeresol. I don’t think I’ll continue a nonsensical debate about a link between autism and vaccination because there is no reason at all to believe that there is one.

CL,
you said, “argonomist...sorry but your argument is idiocy. inorganic mercury does not leave the body sooner than organic mercury. to suggest so in this argument is ridiculous.”
I think you are a little confused about the difference between organic and inorganic mercury.
AGRONOMIST said that ETHYL mercury is removed quickly from the body.
As you can gather from the information sites, thimerosal is an organic compound containing ethylmercury.

Wakefield is a laugh. There wasn’t even a toxin identified in his so-called cause of intestinal or brain damage. No toxin, no link!

As for homeopathy, this is very entertaining truth:
James Randi explains homeopathy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U
Enjoy!

celevia, according to testimony supplied by Dr. Kinsbornne in Wash. D.C. in May, 2008 : " TCV's are sources of inorganic mercury (hg++) , which is the breakdown product when TCV's breakdown and accumulate in the brain".
I really don't get the debate here anyway...it's ridiculous. Only the most ignorant person can state that there isn't a sub set of children that can be affected by the toxins and hyper immune responses to multiple vaccines. Almost 2,000,000,000 dollars has been handed out to the families of children affected in the last two decades in America alone. Thimerosal is a poison that requires abatement if spilled in a U.S. Military lab, yet we inject it into our children!The debate is over...Hannah Polings autism was caused or triggered by the 9 vaccines that she recieved. I think the emphasis now should be on these freaks that think that a one-size-fits-all vaccine protocol is still the way to go , with no deviation from the protocol. That's true ignorance...

Celivia

Since you cannot provide any evidence to support the foolish Warthurg’s claims , I am astonished that you presume: “You cannot intelligibly refute the statistics that Warthaug shows on his video because they are the facts.” What facts Celivia?

The study of the Amish, Mennonites, and Hasidic Jews showed that 'members of these groups tend to have ancestors who came from the same geographic region, live in isolated populations, and intermarry, allowing recessive genetic traits to emerge in their offspring.’ This study has absolutely nothing to do with any potential impacts on human health from ethyl mercury. Warthurg’s misuse of this paper, the Japanese one and his fallacious graph are unethical if not fraudulent:

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Neurology/Seizures/2954

Anybody who believes that cancer is caused only from exposure to high levels of radiation or that gross deformities in the newborn are caused only by exposure to 2,4,5-T, or that psychological disorders in the young are only caused by a recessive gene is living in La La Land.

“…Pakistan and India at least HISTORICALLY used to have pretty poor rates of vaccination in their rural areas.” Where on earth is the relevance to ethyl mercury, Celivia?

These assertions are becoming sillier by the minute when the incidence of autism was 1 in 10000 before the 70s Celivia. What is the point you make? Show me the "money"......please!

“LOL, the autism rate even slightly increased when the Japanese children were not vaccinated!”

Lol, Celivia. Co-author of the Japanese study was Professor Rutter who was a former Deputy Chairman of the Wellcome Trust - the drug manufacturer, Glaxo. He’s one of the expert witnesses for Glaxo in the MMR litigation but he failed to disclose a conflict of interest in the Honda/Rutter paper, denying MMR has any association with autism.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/hondarutter.html

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/113784.php

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3771429.stm

http://www.safeminds.org/pressroom/press_releases/2005-03-07-Los-Angeles-Times-Merck-Misled-on-Vaccines.pdf

http://medicine-no.com/DrugPromotion.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583475/BBC-psychiatrist-Tonmoy-Sharma-is-struck-off.html

The grave derelictions of responsibility by drug companies and secretive, government institutions is an international disgrace.

Faith in the medical establishment has crumbled also because good men see but say nothing while potential victims continue to be used as cannon fodder!

CL,
I’m not claiming that there are never any side effects. Most drugs do have side effects. Vaccination is very safe because the risk and side effects are so few.
All I am saying is that it’s dangerous to encourage parents not to vaccinate their children.

Dickie,
“Since you cannot provide any evidence to support the foolish Warthaug’s claims…“ What foolish claims?

“What facts Celivia?”
The facts are that ALL of the studies have so far found no link between autism and thimerosal. If you know of any large-scale studies that prove a link between the two, I’m sure that medical scientists would be interested to hear about it.

About the Amish, you’re still missing the point. The point is that the anti-vaxers claim that autism doesn’t occur there. All that Warthaug is saying that this claim is false. And he is correct, even according to the article you linked to.

Cancer and radiation discussions are off-topic and irrelevant.

“Where on earth is the relevance to ethyl mercury, Celivia?”
It is relevant because you claim that Warthaug was wrong about vaccination rates in these countries. I corrected you by telling you that Warthaug is talking about historical rates, not today’s rates. Autism occurs at the same rates everywhere whether the population had been vaccinated or not.

“The grave derelictions of responsibility by drug companies and secretive, government institutions is an international disgrace.”
While drug companies are not perfect, and I also have my criticism, the big picture is that our overall life span increase is partly due to the drugs and treatments that are available to us. What was the life span like in the days we had to resort to quackery like homeopathy?

Would you like to go back to pre-antibiotic and pre-vaccination times?
I don't.
Many people would not be alive today if it weren’t for antibiotics and medical science.

I think we all have to consider that our life spans are longer and disease has decreased in our countries for far greater reasons that drugs. Measles was already 95% irradicated from America prior to the vaccine (because of our diet, moving into more rural areas and our water and sanitation improved). Interestingly enough, it seems that diseases that we did not develop vaccines for, dropped at the same time at the same rate.
and we also must consider the fact that chronic diseases are the problem now and many feel it is because of our horrible immune systems. A Manitoba study clearly shows that simply by delaying the DTaP for four months drops the asthma rate by 54%. How many kids die each year from asthma related death? I know here in America it's over 6000! Would that many children die from diptheria in a year minus the vax?
And celevia, how does any pro vaccine person explain Chicago Home First Clinics? Almost 100% of their kids are 100% fully un vaccinated IN CHICAGO, not some Amish farm, and they're healthier than any of their vaccinated peers.a rate of 1-100 autistic in the U.S. (conservative est.) , 35,000 kids at CHF and 2 autistic children, all vaccinated prior to becoming patients!