Usual Suspect, cont'd:

<"Sure, it suits your purposes to inflate rape figures, just like adding in all the 'sexual assault' like pinching on the bum, and 'regretted sex' to mix in with the rape to make those numbers much larger.">

I agree with you that the terms 'sexual assault' and 'indecent assault' are not clear; well not clear to me and you anyway. 'Rape' is a bit clearer though. I was one of the people who lobbied nearly two decades ago for definitions in Queensland to be changed and they have been changed sometime since then. The definition of rape back then was ONLY penis in vagina. No other act of penetration; defecating or urinating on victims, or forcing them to perform oral sex, was counted as rape.

However, as to including "pinching on the bum" in rape figures - if that happens I've never seen it. Whether it's termed sexual assault or indecent assault or just assault - in my experience it is usually dealt with through something like a human resources department; EAP; a general counsellor or just directly with the police. All of that said, it pays to consider the subjective experience of the person being pinched. Someone who has already experienced sexual abuse is likely to be more upset than someone experiencing it as a one off event in a crowded lift (I guess). In any case, as trivial as it may seem to some people, it is still being groped isn't it. How the law regards it I don't know.

Seeker: You're reading the report incorrectly. Please see the heading above the 6 months.

Roscop: Your post was one of the most puerile and vulgar pieces of idiocy I've ever seen here

Pynchme

Thank-you very much for those links. Very interesting. I thought I would ad that the NSW RCC in conjunction with the media and journalism research centre at UNSW (where my PhD is based) is running a program with the NRL to re-educate (or as I suspect educate for the first time) footballers on how not to rape women. Catharine Lumby and Kath Albury are the academics in charge and I've worked closely alongside both these women in the past. Unfortunately the NRL owns the research as they have commissioned it so these academics can not publicly publish their findings. HOWEVER they can be interviewed about their personal opinions and in the past I have spoken to Lumby at some length about her findings. I also interviewed Dr. Megan LeMasurier about her involvement with the project. She was responsible for transcribing the tapes and she said listening to the men talk about their attitudes towards women and sex made her physically ill and it was many months before she could actually have sex again. She also added that was not the players, but rather management that was the most horrendous. There were quotes such as "everyone knows that 'no' really means 'yes'". Basically most of the players have only ever seen women as mothers, or sex objects, or as a servant. Few of them have seem women in management positions or positions of power. It's a fairly disgusting culture.

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Ninaf, this article most certainly lifts the veil on rape allegations. I anticipate NOT a similar thank-you to the one you extended to Princess Pynchme for her press article research skills.

Review of Bulldogs rape case

By Neil Mercer

February 18, 2007 12:00
Article from: The Sunday Telegraph

THREE years after rape allegations shattered the Bulldogs, a detective has written a book
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The 100,000 word manuscript, by former detective senior sergeant Gary McEvoy, gives for the first time a detailed behind-the-scenes view of the investigation
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It mounts a convincing case that Bulldogs players were falsely accused of sexual assault.
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But some detectives soon questioned her story after it was contradicted by independent eyewitnesses. At the end of the inquiry, some even wanted her charged with making false allegations.
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According to McEvoy, … 23 years in the NSW Police, "troubling signs'' about the veracity of the woman's story emerged within three days.
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“We were getting good evidence of an incident of consensual sex but not of a pack rape.”
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“In fact, we were getting nothing to suggest any crime had occurred at all.''
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“In addition, the alleged victim changed her story several times in the course of making several official statements.”
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McEvoy says the woman's girlfriend had not backed her claims. The friend had been with one of the players in the resort that night. He says she was "far from supportive of the alleged victim.”
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McEvoy says Detective … Glen … was second in charge of the investigation.
"Glen felt the victim had made a false report,'' he says
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"He also believed there was sufficient evidence to at least investigate her for 'make false allegation' or public mischief.''

Roscop- On the contrary- thanks for posting that, I think it IS important to have a balanced debate about this stuff and as I have said before, I think that if a person ever fabricates a rape allegation for whatever reason then they are the absolute scum of the earth as not only does it ruin a man, but it calls all other legit rape victims stories in to question. With specific regard to the Bulldogs case I am actually privileged to certain information (not through the RCC, through a different channel) which on the surface of things at least, suggests that in the woman's mind she really was raped. The fact that her story was inconsistent doesn't look good, but then again, I'd be far more suspicious of a victim who's story had no holes whatsoever. One of the things I have been taught in counselling training is that one of the outcomes of PTSD is a confusion of memory and often memory loss. In my own instance, I did not recall being strangled (as my mind had deleted that memory deeming it too stressful) until the following day. That night at the police station they could clearly see bruising and a swollen injury around my neck so they photographed and swabbed it, but it wasn't until the next day when I put my own hand around my neck that the memory came back. This is normal. Also I beleive the woman was highly intoxicated at the time, so I wouldn't be suprised if there are holes in her story for that reason. Just saying.

Sweet Ninaf,

<<<<<<< I did not recall being strangled (as my mind had deleted that memory deeming it too stressful) until the following day.>>>>>>>>

Yes, this fits very well with your story which I remember from the video you were in. At the time I watched the video, I had what I now realise, thanks to the NSWRCC and your most honest self, was a very bad dose of vicarious trauma. My suffering was compounded by reading the piece in HONI SOIT which told us about your terrible ordeal. Better sense would have told me not to do that, because in such a uni rag of great sexual libertarian tradition, I should have known you would be more explicit about what happened…”F-U-C-K O-F-F” you told the attacker on top of you armed with a box cutter. And with this latest statement of yours, I now feel a relapse of vicarious trauma coming on.

Excuse me dearest whilst I go lay down.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=xsfWhCYgC30

As a man, let me just say that I think this "Roscop" troll is a very good example of why we still need feminists, rape counselling services and other initiatives that seek to ensure that women's status and safety in our society is unable to be assailed by Neanderthals like him. Some very bitter and twisted men at OLO tend to try and dominate discussions like this at OLO, but this one takes the cake.

Like I said earlier, I feel very sorry for the daughter he claims to have fathered - not to mention her mother and any other woman who is unfortunate enough to know a low-life creep like him.