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Angry, frustrated and powerless : Comments

By Nina Funnell, published 9/12/2008

Vicarious trauma: the trauma incited by an assault is rarely confined to the victim alone.

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Pynchme:"it's still the fact that few crimes are reported"

No, it's yet another unsubstantiated claim. Do try to distinguish between facts and fantasies: your output would be so much more worthwhile.

Pynchme:"How are men (and some women) going to do to negotiate consent? How will people who want sex going to be able to show afterwards, should a charge of SA be made, what they did to assure themselves that the person they were with really wanted to have sex ?"

The time-honoured way among honourable people is to ask. What do you suggest should replace that? What standard of proof is enough in the world of the grrls who want to be victims?

Pynchme:"The law is contradictory and community attitudes are changing."

What aspects are contradictory? The law is perfectly in accordance with Westminster principles of justice, which demand proof beyond reasonable doubt in criminal matters. That applies to any crime, from shoplifting to murder.

As for "community attitudes", it would be surprising if the years of "woman as perpetual victim" propaganda jadn't had some impact. Nonetheless, sensible people recognise that it takes two to tango and most men are not interested in sex with an unwilling partner. The fact that women sometimes change their mind about their willingness post-facto is a matter for themselves, not for the Courts.
Posted by Antiseptic, Thursday, 22 January 2009 8:32:01 AM
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Pynchme:"it's still the fact that few crimes are reported"

No, it's yet another unsubstantiated claim. Do try to distinguish between facts and fantasies: your output would be so much more worthwhile.

Pynchme:"How are men (and some women) going to do to negotiate consent? How will people who want sex going to be able to show afterwards, should a charge of SA be made, what they did to assure themselves that the person they were with really wanted to have sex ?"

The time-honoured way among honourable people is to ask. What do you suggest should replace that? What standard of proof is enough in the world of the grrls who want to be victims?

Pynchme:"The law is contradictory and community attitudes are changing."

What aspects are contradictory? The law is perfectly in accordance with Westminster principles of justice, which demand proof beyond reasonable doubt in criminal matters. That applies to any crime, from shoplifting to murder.

As for "community attitudes", it would be surprising if the years of "woman as perpetual victim" propaganda hadn't had some impact. Nonetheless, sensible people recognise that it takes two to tango and most men are not interested in sex with an unwilling partner. The fact that women sometimes change their mind about their willingness post-facto is a matter for themselves, not for the Courts.

As always, your view is based on your contempt for the capacity of women to be in charge of their own outcomes.
Posted by Antiseptic, Thursday, 22 January 2009 9:07:17 AM
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An example of keeping the bastards (like the NSWRCC with its bodgey Annual Report statistics) honest:

<email begins>
Subject: Homicide in Australia: 2006-07 National Homicide Monitoring Program annual report [Sec: Unclassified]

Dear Mr xxxx,

Thank you for your enquiry and apologies for the lateness in reply.

Your request alerted us to an error within the NHMP 2006-07 Annual Report. Homicide statistics differ if they are reported on the victims’ relationship with their offender or offenders’ relation with the victim. In this case, there was a transcription error as we moved between the two. Instead of 7 homicides involving a mother and 15 involving male family members killing a child as originally stated, 11 homicides involved a mother and 11 homicides involved a male family member killing a child in 2006-07.

This has now been corrected in the online version of the document.

Regarding your request, of the 11 homicides that involved a male family member, 6 involved biological fathers of the child and 5 were de-facto partners of the mother, who lived with the child. One biological father murdered two children.

We acknowledge the usage of male family member and mother is not a useful way of classifying relationship between a child homicide victim and their offender. In future reports we will employ classifications that provide a more detailed classification of the relationship between child victims and offenders.

Partly as a consequence of your email, we have started to look at child homicide in more detail and plan to publish more on this later in the calendar year.

Regards,
xxxxx

Xxxx xxxx
Crime Monitoring Program
Australian Institute of Criminology
<email ends>
Posted by Roscop, Saturday, 24 January 2009 12:02:17 AM
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Nice work, roscop. Let's hope the AIC comes up with some suggestions on how to stop these tragedies

There seem to be a lot of "transcription errors" painting women in a more-favourable and men in a less-favourable light lately...
Posted by Antiseptic, Saturday, 24 January 2009 7:32:03 AM
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Can you clarify in what way are women painted in a more favourable light?
Posted by Pynchme, Saturday, 24 January 2009 12:11:21 PM
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Pynchme:"Can you clarify in what way are women painted in a more favourable light?"

Read above. You might like to also recall the recent White Ribbon debacle, in which the statement was made that "1/3 of boys think it acceptable to hit a girl". Some 2 or 3 weeks later (after the campaign had run its course) a letter appeared in the national press, correcting the claim to "1/3 of girls think it acceptable to hit boys" and blaming a "transcription error".

Did you really need that pointed out?
Posted by Antiseptic, Saturday, 24 January 2009 12:31:00 PM
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