Dear BushBasher....so now ur an expert on what constitutes "Christian" and UNChristian behaviour ? :)

Mil Observer...that last post was heading in the right direction. More of that and less of the tripe of your previous 2.

Don't be misled by Trads use of these forums.

Islamic apologists (Nadir Ahmad being a classic current Example) rarely see debates as anything other than an opportunity to declare Islamic spin.... and to try to attract people to the faith by way of misinformation.

They seldom take the serious arguments against their position into account (See Kalid Yassin, Zakir Naik...Ahmad Deedat but lately Nadir Ahmad)

Kayser is one of them, and just tries to steer away from the unpalatable aspects of Islam, simply by denying them, and re-stating the particular issue in 'Christian/Secular' friendly terms hoping to deceive some gullible people.

Dear Boaz.

You owe me for another keyboard.

I was drinking my coffee when I read this.

>>Dear BushBasher....so now ur an expert on what constitutes "Christian" and UNChristian behaviour ?<<

As you are someone who regularly - nay, invariably - decides for others what constitutes Islamic and un-Islamic behaviour, I am staggered that your fingers allowed you to type this.

Any self-respecting digits would have fractured themselves rather than be party to such bare-faced cheek.

bushbasher,
In relation to the first aspect of Keysar Trad's article, that of womens segregation in mosques, There is an article in todays Sydney Morning Herald pertaining to this.

It is written by Nadia Jamal who is a muslim and is a journalist for SMH.

It is of little interest to me as I care not what the seating arrangements are in any place of worship. But it is obviously an important issue for muslims. If anyone is interested, the article is in the Opinions section.

Banjo – thank you for your posts.

As reported by The age.com.au (24/11/08):

“The report is based on a study commissioned and funded by the former Howard government and conducted by the Islamic Women's Welfare Council of Victoria. It has considerable credibility.
…The report was presented on Thursday at a National Centre for Excellence in Islamic Studies conference at the University of Melbourne.”

Conducted by: the Islamic Women’s Welfare Coucil of Victoria, who describe themselves as:

“ a community based welfare organisation established for and managed by Muslim women.”

The questions which remain are:

- Why do the muslim women now attempt to water down this report by:

(1) not releasing it in the public domain and
(2) by saying that the problems identified are experienced by those women already in counselling.

- What proportion of muslim women (statistically, only a small proportion of all Australian women), seek the service?

- Can we assume that the numbers are significant enough to justify a government-commissioned report?

- Can we rely on this body to produce an unbiased report?

- How is the welfare of the women in counseling protected by making such a report public – will it drive the problem further underground?

- How is the welfare of the women currently in counseling protected?

Keyser Trad’s reaction, desiring to stifle any progressive voice, demonstrates that we cannot rely on reform of muslims to come from within.

Is it not significant, that muslim women are acknowledging that sharia does not protect women or guarantee their basic rights?

- What is being done to address the issues raised?

- Why is the Australian legal system not the final recourse for:

(1) young girls in forced marriages

(2) divorced women or women duped into an illegal "marriage"

(3) women deprived of maintenance support for themselves and their children

It appears that muslim women are unaware of their rights and therefore open to abuses under the power and authority of an illegal court which has no legitimate rule in this country, guided by a leadership which ignores or breaks Australian laws.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/still-no-equality-for-muslim-women/2008/12/07/1228584647814.html

Still no equality for women.

There never will be if the Koran is there, its written in heaven on stone tablets.

Nadia Jamal should just join Maryam Namazie, a female Muslim, and walk away forever.
http://maryamnamazie.blogspot.com/
http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/eng/events/text1.htm

Here is another Keyboard Pericles :) but it might not last through this post.

Reading Philip Tangs link, we have the following:

1/ 'Nadia Jamal is criticizing Muslims'

2/ "we bigots" are also criticizing Islam.

3/ Jamal and the 'bigots' are of one voice....

And Pericles regularly attacks us (i.e. the 'bigots' but not the Muslim critics of Islam :)

Now that's worth a keyboard.

Here's a voucher P, zip down to Tandy and grab another.

Here's another..for your local therapist :)