The issue is not whether Islamic women should or should not be segregated in mosques: it is why Islamic women are not free to choose where they sit. The issue is not whether Islamic men bash their wives: it is how Islamic religious leaders and community figures react to it.

As long as religious leaders are allowed to retain arbitrary and unchallengeable power they will continue to exercise it for their own selfish and irrational ends. If Islam cannot bend like Christianity to accommodate science, free thought and democratic decision-making then it will eventually break; but thousands will suffer and die in the meantime.

Shocking revelations? I saw the headline and was too bored to read it. I don’t remember any news gatherers being interested enough to put it on the electronic media, and I watch three TV new programmes every day, and countless radio news items. And, the “numerous” conferences would be of interest to Muslims only.

The only thing Muslims need to worry about is the constant and unnecessary ‘defence’ of their religion and day to day activities by Keysar Trad.

As long as they don’t cause any trouble to the wider community, nobody cares about their petty infighting

So, Moslems are looking over their shoulders again, I'm not surprised, considering the regular burning of mosques, the forcible conversions to Christianity and the infidel gangs assaulting every Moslem they encounter,not to mention the attacks from the murderous crusader terrorists.

"There are those who wait for the fanatics to take power...and then whine and wring their hands about it....."

On the other hand there are those who consistently stand against at least one fanatic - Pericles, CJ Morgan, Bugsy and others.

As a general comment I noticed that Keysar did what has become popular, mention one topic then quote statistics which describe a much broader issue.

Following long discussions on other threads it's clear that the formal definitions of Domestic Violence are about a particular form of spousal violence where physical strength is used to control and intimidate a partner. The stats Keysar mentioned are about any level of spousal violence. If it's not about just the dominanation of another person then the figures should be for all people who have experienced violence from a partner.

Likewise the heading of rape is then followed by a stat for sexual assault which can include a lot of stuff at a much lower level than rape.

It's quite possible that Keysar's misuse of both headings was unintentional (plenty of others do the same) but doing so does create a false impression of the state of society and the prevelance of some very serious issues.

R0bert

keysar does himself no favours with this article, but he seldom does. but there's always polycarp chiming in, to see keysar's nonsense, and to raise it.

pin, if you want to talk about fanatics, you might also talk about christian fanatics in uganda. and, though it adds fuel to your silly fire, i think you're wrong about "how many germans were true nazis". goldhagen's book, amongst others, convinces me there was no shortage.

Polycarp
One Major correction to your post
The views expressed are that of Polycarp NOT that of Christians (all or the majority there of).

Apart from that it was off topic by the narrow margin of 9.3 AUs. The question was "in defence of Muslims". We all know what YOU think of Muslims. Just for a change address the issue not try and hijac it for your own arcane reasons.