CowboyJoe, for your information, talkback radio still call me for interviews, I do not call them unless I am returning a call.

Boaz, I have already shown you that for every out of context quote you make from the Qur`an, I can give you real quotes of a worse nature from your own Scriptures, wake up. In one post, you refer to my approach as “educated”, then fearing the truth, you call it “scripted”, whether either, it is a contradiction for you to come in your later post and claim your slanted views to be based on “compelling reason”. There is no reason in your arguments, just blind-following, blind clinging to something that is totally unreasonable. Instead of wasting your time here Boaz, have a look at this and argue with these people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y&feature=related

StevenImeyer, like I said, I am not on the forum to win converts, merely to educate with fact as opposed to the misinformation peddled by people like Boaz. Plenty of evidence for the Qur`an, but a public forum with a word limit does not give me enough space, read my book Islam for your information, the second edition is available online free. Doctor Keith Moore is an expert in his field? For those who wish to read what he said about the Qur`an, click on the link rather than just taking StevenImeyer’s word: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egDYF_oQ4yc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73EfykhtXsE&feature=related
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http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm

Stickman, read “why I don’t believe in atheists” by Chris Hedges, a New York Times journalist for a few concerns about people like Sam Harris.

KatieO, whatever makes you happy. These Youtube Docos may be interesting for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ji2Y8DddaU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXKTGYyx1vg&feature=related
Former Christian missionary Gary Miller has this to say about the Qur`an:
http://www.jannah.org/articles/amzquran.html
and for those who prefer video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grrD6V38Nuo&feature=related

"I have studied him - the wonderful man - and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity. " George Bernard Shaw in "The Genuine Islam"

Love and best wishes

K Trad wrote: "...I am...merely to educate with fact as opposed to the misinformation peddled by people... Plenty of evidence for the Qur'an,..."

Let's see...

I put it to you that Mohammad never met an Angel from God. Mohammad simply lied, lied and told more lies. This led to a false religion called Islam...

Keysar, based on your brave words above, can you point to me evidence that Mohammad had met with an Angel ??

GZ,

Of course there was no angel dictating the koran to Muhammad!

Do you really think a messenger from the creator of the universe would get the science so wrong?

K.TRAD,

I think I'll give your book a miss old son. At my age I've had my fill of books by true believers seeking to persuade me that their brand of self-deception happens to be true.

You cite KEITH MOORE as an "expert." He may or may not be an expert on embryology but his statement shows woeful ignorance of scientific history.

When Keith Moore publishes his findings in a PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL such as Nature, Science, PNAS, Cell, or one of similar ranking I'll pay attention. Till then he's just another pseudo-academic on the make.

Come to think of it I am not aware of ANY articles in PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS that demonstrate any scientific foreknowledge in the koran.

Why do you suppose that is?

Dear Keysar...

You are quite free to counter my assertions, by insulting Christianity, and by posting Youtube links....which portray
"Christianity" in a very poor light. No one will ban you from here like I'd get (and have been) banned from 'Muslim village'...

Now.. It took me 1m 17s into one of your 'Christianity is evil' youtube links to see that.. I AGREE with you :).. yes..I do.. as soon as I saw 'Benny Hinn'... I said.. "This" version of Christianity is awful, evil, deceptive etc and..is NOT Biblical.

THE REAL ISSUE... (as I've been laboring on this forum for many years now).. is NOT 'how contemporary religion X is manifest' in a particular place or time.......BUT.. and please understand this... (as I think others are beginning to tweak to it)

The issue is..WHAT do the foundation documents, and the founder of religion X 'say'... and.. is what they said applicable to 'today'?

Now.. it doesn't take much biblical understanding to be able to write Benny Hinn off as a loony (albeit a smart one) and DEFinitely NOT a person who exemplifies anything remotely resembling our Lord Jesus.

But..it takes just 2 things to realize that Islam is a different kettle of fish.

1/ Your statements in this very thread "God said" in reference to the Quran.

2/ This story of HOW 'what God said' was applied in this modern outworking of that thing which "God said"

Quran 4:34 "Finally, you may BEAT them" (wives)

GERMANY:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,487238,00.html

Now.. you cannot claim we are 'taking the verse out of context' as it specifically teaches and outlines how to treat wives.. I mean.. that IS the meaning of the verse IN context.

Applying this:
-The Moroccan born Muslim husband beat his wife.
-The Wife wanted divorce.
-The German judge denied it on the grounds that the Quran allows wife beating.

"Game over" :)

May God (the True God) Guide you and all Muslims to faith in God in Christ as He 'really' is. Son of God, Savior, Redeemer.

Boazy: << You are quite free to counter my assertions, by insulting Christianity, and by posting Youtube links....which portray
"Christianity" in a very poor light. No one will ban you from here like I'd get (and have been) banned from 'Muslim village'...
>>

Boazy, despite your tedious practice of treating it as if it is, OLO isn't 'Christian village'. Your point is irrelevant.

<< please understand this... (as I think others are beginning to tweak to it) >>

You're having a lend of yourself, mate. But what else is new?

CJ,

Mate you don't have to participate in this debate if you don't like its direction.

Are you arguing for Boaz to be censored just because you don't like what he says? Because if you are, I'm asking Graham for you to be next.

KTRAD,

you say "wanted to extract myself out of this debate a week ago when I saw that it was starting to become circular, one just needs to look at PaulL, I have directed him to the answers to his questions, but he continues, unabated, like a badly broken record. I am not seeking sympathy"

Well it must be soo tough to be you. Take some cement with your breakfast and harden up.

The reason it is circular is because you insist on not answering the questions I posed. No one gets away with that on OLO, except, it seems, you. I gave you the benefit of the doubt in the first place, and am still willing to listen, but it reflects very poorly on you that you do not have the courage to stand up and either defend, or deny the things you are reported as saying.

There is no transcript for your conversations with Jones etc. You are a gutless wonder. You just refuse to answer the hard questions. Arguing the scriptures with christians is of little relevance to most of us. But keep on pretending that you are fully engaging if you wish.